i really think that low bid has a lot to do with it. ford is very
aggresive about fleet bids. neither gm nor dc is anywhere as close.
ford gets a lot of their numbers off of fleet bids. they bid a ton of
public service vehicles and bid very low.
also, please understand that i'm not trying to trash ford. they made
a huge mistake with the 6l diesel but ford isn't stupid. they have
always stepped up to the plate when it comes to warranty support. i
think that their warranty support is better than dc. their truck is
laid out very well. the interior is the best around. again, on tdr
you hear people (ok, you read people) say all the time that if they
ever put a cummins in a ford body it would put gm and dc out of
I don't think that you are trashing Ford. I agree with you that Ford seems
to have the best all around interior layout. Being in the 12 volt
electronics installation field, I crawl(ed) around in, under and through
them all and the F-250 had so much room in it that I was able to lay
completely down on the back seat floor (fronts all the way back) and do all
the work I needed to. I couldn't do that on a gm or dodge with the seat all
the way forward.
i agree. the ford has a lot more room inside. i like it. i wish
they would buy a 6 cyl cummins. that would be a very nice truck. the
rumor a year or two back was that cummins had this 6.7l diesel in r&d
because ford wanted to buy it. wish that would of been the case, but
now we find out it will be in the dodge. the dodge body is ok though,
i have no real complaints about mine, the ford is just a little
I feel the same way. Dodge gives you an outdated but rock solid drive line
and Ford gives you a better body. The 6.0L Ford Diesel is already out. Look
at the new 2007's when you can.
The 6.0 revs a lot higher than a Cummins. If you drive a CTD Dodge and you
jump in a Ford, the power band will surprise you.
I have driven an '03 Ford decked out with the Banks Big Hoss package and it
had the PDA tuner in it too. Man what a RUSH!! From what I have heard,
please correct if I am mistaken, the biggest problem with the Fords is the
turbo itself. If this is the case, changing it out with say a Garrett (sp)
would fix the problem and all, correct?
They have had problems of one kind or another. I think I'm in the same boat
as the other's. If the Cummins were in a
ford or a Chevy, I'd probably be driving one. Having said that this 05
hasn't been bad, it is damn quick, comfortable on long trips, just a couple
of warranty items, one that was a little strange but all in all I have no
complaints. Ya have to go with what you are comfortable with. For me it was
the Cummins, we use them at work and they get a beating that you wouldn't
believe. They are like the "bunny" they keep going and going.
Let's keep Denny out of this, OK?
Reflecting (you like that word, bro?) on my years here as a CTD lurker, it seems
that a pretty high percentage of CTD owners are not necessarily dodge fans, it's
just the truck that the Cummins is wrapped in..
I know that when we were looking for a 3/4 TD a few years ago, Dodge and Ford
were so close in price, etc. that it was a real "pickum" between the 250's
comfort and the Dodge's CTD... Both retailed at just under 40k fully loaded, I
Sorry, I didn't even consider Chevy's durasmoke... too many horror stories..
Funny, that's exactly what I said about Dodge when I bought my Chevy
three years ago. I had one warranty issue in the first 500 miles, and
a seat motor problem at 15K, otherwise perfect...
Buying a whole truck just for the engine is like marrying a fat ugly
chick 'cuz she's got nice eyes. <G>
When I purchased my Ram CTD, I also looked at the F-250. However, and
this maybe a regional thing, the BEST the Ford dealer could do was
still $5K above the comparibly equipped Dodge.
Frankly, I like the interior of the Dodge better anyway ... not to
mention the superior performance and reliability of the Cummins
powerplant. And ... I know this is a minor thing, but the Ford sounds
like it is grinding up tin cans. Sharp and raspy. Clak clak clak.
:-) Good one.
Facts [fakts] -noun: The pesky things that get in the way of religious
Buying a whole truck just because it has a bowtie on it is sorta like
marrying a chick because she has a nice dress. (generally those are the ones
with some sort of.... padding.... to the actual package)
Buying a truck based on name alone is sorta like marrying a chick because
she has a good name. (generally those are the ones that are insane but ya
put up with them because the family is cool.)
Chevy's record in styling sucks (the 07's finally look.... good? ok, maybe
not....) the diesel is a joke, regardless of HP (if its got aluminum heads,
its gonna need head gasket attention) because of its high revving design,
among other things. Suspension has always been geared towards being a large
Caddy, rather than a truck.
Ford's PSD has turned into the "Piece of Shit Diesel", the styling is...
well... better than Chevy, and the suspension has long been the stuff of
nightmares for alignment guys.
They all seem to have the transmissions sorted out, finally.
But lets face facts..... if you want a TRUCK, not a work vehicle with
"overstuffed chair from the home theatre" suspension, ya go with a Ford or a
Dodge. If ya want an engine with a proven track record (B series has been
around for over 30 years), proven longevity (testing puts it at well over
300,000 for ALL varients of the B series), and better overall design (inline
six vs V8 is no contest), and one that has a decent name behind it
(Cummins), Dodge is the only game in town.
Beyond that, its what you are willing to put up with in terms of interior.
My '00 has perfect seats. In the end, thats what counts as much as
anything.... because if the drivetrain will take me anywhere, I better be
able to sit long enough to get there.
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