I just picked up a clean '84 LSC with 84K on the clock. It runs and
drives like new, it was "grandpa's car". It seems to have some problems
with the air suspension and EATC.
First of all, I'm looking for a set of shop manuals for it, Helm has what
appears to be the EVTM but nothing else. Anybody?
I was a Tech for 23 years until I got out of the business, ending in Ford
dealerships, so I know what I'm doing. I just don't remember much about
these cars. I can probably wring out the problems with the proper
As yet I'm working blind without manuals. The suspension problem is
probably the RF airbag (I drove the car but don't have it in my posession
yet). The EATC just acts "funny". The AC has no charge, who'da guessed
after 20 years on those spring lock couplings. The system is slow to
respond to changes in the settings, maybe vacuum system.
I would like to correspond by email or phone with someone who remembers
these cars and can help me through some of the rough spots, maybe Thomas
Moats, who seems to have been around quite a while. All others are
I was suprised at the number of problems this car didn't have. The
electronic instrument cluster works like new, at least for now, and all of
the accessories except the locks are fine. I don't care about the locks as
there are only 2. And at $60+ each, I'll pull the actuators.
I don't post to newsgroups very often because I can't get OE to post to
my news server and trying to sort posts in Opers is a pain, mostly because
I heven't found time to become familiar with it. That's why I suggested
phone or Email.
Any and all help will be appreciated
I just sold my '86 Mark VII LSC a few weeks ago. I have the three volume
Helms Shop manual ( Body, Powertrain/Lubrication/Maintenance, and the
Chassis/Electrical) as well as the Electrical and Vacuum Troubleshooting
manual and the Electrical system wiring diagrams.
I think I paid around $150 for these a while back. All five publications
weigh approximately 7 pounds and are in very good condition. Make me an
offer if interested.
No vacuum in the Mark..all electrical actuators with feedback.
I've owned mine for 12 years and dealt with most of the common
problems..air suspension, AC incl new evap and compressor, German made
Tevis ABS brake system and more than a few electrical problems.
If you paid $150 I don't think I can make an offer right now that
wouldn't insult you. My personal belief is that documentation really
doesn't ever depreciate in value so they are probably worth that much to
someone who needs them. Money is more than a little tight right now. Thank
you though. There's nothing on Ebay right now so I'll have to muddle
through for a while.(Although the EVTM would really come in handy, shoot
me a number if you would sell it separately).
Luckily the ABS works just fine,for now knock on wood. This one is going
to need a heater core, I'll check the evaporator also. Was this a common
failure over time? There's no visible oily fittings or rusty lines but the
system is empty and was converted to R134a a while back. I haven't looked
closely at the condenser yet.
Thanks again for your reply, Tom
I guess I should be flattered? Why did you single me out?
Outlook Express? Seems you just did it. How did you find I've "been around quite
Your on Comcast, what's the problem? If you look at my header, I use Comcast. I
can post and recieve via Giganews just like you. I do not give out my phone
number or e-mail address for the same reasons every body else here does. I don't
know you.........anyway, you seemed to figure out that I've been around for a
while and that you can post. So, post what your problem is, it's here or no
where else ( don't mean to sound harsh, but that is the way it is ).
I have lurked in this newsgroup for a few years and posted when I thought
I had something useful to add. I mentioned your name because, unless I
have you confused with someone else:
1. It seems that you have a good grasp of the inner workings of some of
the more complex vehicle systems.
2. I get the impression that you have been a Tech for a number of years,
likely a Ford or L\M tech who may remember some of the quirks with this
3. I find your troubleshooting style much like my own,"start with the
basics and follow logical steps until you find the problem". Your replies
arent just "Take a piece of coat hanger and...," or " My car had a similar
problem, replace the..."
Nope, Posted with the email/newsgroup software in Opera. No matter how I
set OE up, I can read any post I want but the replies and new postings
always bounce back
Giganews? My server is netnews.comcast.net. I can post and receive with
Opera. I have been using it for a couple of weeks but haven't had time to
be able to learn how to use it as well as I can OE. I'm finding it a real
I do not give out my
Completely understandable, although I give mine out occasionally.
So, post what your problem is, it's here or
No problem, I can buy that. Like I said, I don't have the car yet. When I
take posession I want to fix the Air Suspension and EATC before I drive
it. I was just looking for some backup in case I ran into problems due to
lack of manuals and a full understanding of how these systems operate.
No relation. Although, up until last fall I was an IT field technician
for Tops Markets which is based in Buffalo. All of our vehicles were
purchased through Adkins Ford.
Thanks for your reply Tom, I'll be in touch on the group.
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