Maybe so. I may be wrong but I perceive that as market segment of very
finicky customers. It may be one of those markets where they spend a
$billion on a new product, and the market just says it's mediocre.
Mediocrity is the heart of what's driving them into bankruptcy.
In fact I think we're already there with the "Edge". It's an all-out
development effort, but reviews in the press are mixed. It looks good, but
it weighs 5000 lb, and it only seats 5. There's nothing really great about
the performance or the gas mileage. Just middle-of-the-road all the way.
It looks a lot better than a Pacifica, but maybe not so good as the Murano,
depending on your taste.
How about the Compass? It's cheaper, but awfully ugly. The Compass is going
to be the new Aztek, I'm afraid. Recent Autoweek test had all kinds of
breakdowns. It's bad when you develop products that are ugly right out of
I guess this new Buick Enclave thing is the GM's big all-out crossover
effort. Their current crossovers are kind of forgettable to me. I know
they had the Ranier/Aztek for a while. Now they have that Pontiac Torrent
instead and whatever it is at other divisions. These were all okay
(ignoring the Aztek's styling). I guess you could say mediocre.
Fast growing? Seems like GM/Ford have already saturated the SUV
market, and there's already too many players in the AWD passenger car
market. Audi and Subaru traditionally had a lock on this market (after
AMC/Eagle left, but AMC never had decent marketing. I wonder what
would have happened if the Eagle had a rally program like Audi or
Subaru? Would have been fun to watch... but I digress) but now
everyone and their brother is offering at least one AWD sedan or wagon.
GM and Ford both need to come up with a product that is not just "as
good as" but markedly BETTER than the existing products in a given
class and price point if they want to get any market penetration.
There's too many people out there that have a negative impression of
GM/Ford and their products, "all things being equal" they will choose
another brand based on past experience or reputation.
Really? That may be your opinion but crossovers are not SUVs and Toyota and
Honda do not offer AWD sedans. Both of those markets are the fasted
growing markets in the US Audi and Subaru are also-rans when it comes to
sales in the US. According to CR's and several other recent new car owners
surveys the Fusion and Milan have outscored the Accord and Camry. CR
pointed out the V6 Fusion sells for thousands less than the 4 cy Camry as
well. As to what buyers chose to buy based on past experience, both GM and
Ford outsell Toyota and every other import brand in the US ;)
For now. Import market share is increasing and domestic market share
is decreasing, and if this trend is not reversed it will be very bad
news indeed for the US automotive industry and you won't be able to
make that statement anymore. I stand by my statement and hope that GM
and Ford's product planners agree with me, for their sake.
Not to worry. Obviously more American continue to prefer what they offer
than any import brand You are talking about share of an ever growing
market, GM and Ford both sell more vehicles today than the did in days of
old. If indeed GM and Ford falter, which is unlikely, it will be bad for
America not just the auto industry. Import brands pay their workers less,
offer less desirable healthcare benefits and less desirable pensions. Worst
of all Japanese corporations pay no US corporate income taxes on the profits
earned on cars they only assemble in the US of mostly imported parts,
contrary to what many believe. They will no doubt find it cheaper to simply
just import all of their vehicles, as they do most of them now. Without
American made vehicles, would Toyota continue to assemble some of their cars
in the US, of 'world sourced parts' as they now say in their ads, when they
can built them in China, of the same parts, for one third the cost?
Like who? Nobody I knows can say anything like "GM builds a better car
than Toyota" for example with a straight face. Nobody believes it.
Irrelevant. There's declining market share, and it will continue to
decline unless something is done. At some point total sales will also
decline - oh wait, that's already happening.
They're already faltering. Declining market share and declining total
sales = "faltering" in my book.
it's already happening.
Indeed. Think "Studebaker" on a much larger scale.
And yet there are no shortage of applicants for those jobs. Odd, that.
Well, I guess GM and Ford better get on the stick and start building
better vehicles if we want to reverse the flow of dollars, eh what?
Maybe, maybe not. They do have a reputation for quality to uphold, and
china is not there yet. However, once China figures out QC - well, you
ain't seen nothing yet, you thought competition from Japan and Korea
was bad, it's only going to get worse.
Of course, this hasn't stopped *GM* from importing Chinese parts...
When you're talking about what the public chooses to buy, good PR is
just as good as a quality product, assuming it really works. Either
way, GM and Ford have some catching up to do.
Personally I have a hard time believing that ANY car could be as shitty
as a Taurus or Impala and remain on the market.
That may be your opinion but GM and Ford still outsell any import brand.
Obviously millions of buyers do not agree with your personal opinion. I
personally have owned imports and the imports were no better the domestic I
currently buy, ever though they cost more to drive home. So what is your
My point is GM is in trouble and that you are doing nothing to help the
situation by defending their piss poor products. What are you on that
makes you so delusional that you cannot see the need for immediate,
real, radical product improvement on the part of the American
manufacturers if they want to remain even marginally competitive.
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
GM and Ford are in trouble for sure but contrary to what you believe, GM and
Fords current models are great reliable vehicles that have outscored many
imports, including the Camry and the Accord in recent opinion poll of owner
of 2006s like J D Powers and CR Gm and Ford by far makes the best truck
the eclipse the sales of any import truck. .. GMs sales were up in the last
quarter, as well. Fords light truck sales are down but their car sales are
up. I own a 2006 and a 2007 domestic myself and they are great vehicles.
The manufacture with the most recalls in 2006 was Toyota. I have tried to
point out to you that what you believe is not factual. You many prefer
imports but the fact is more buyers in the US bought vehicles from GM and
Ford in 2006 than any import whether you agree or not..
This may all be true, but GM and Ford are still losing boatloads of money.
Some of their problems go back many years and will haunt them for many more
years. They need to do much more than just sell cars. They have to
restructure costs so they can sell cars at a profit.
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