Re: Foreign cars pass Big 3. but not on a steep grade

With $3 Gas, Detroit Pays for Its Past

I wouldn't register on the traitorous New York Times site for any article.

Post the article or go home...

Myself, 92 Honda Accord 2.2, 95 Toyota Corolla 1.6.

One of the security guards at work just paid cash for a Lincoln Navigator... he refi'd his house.

Says that at today's price of around 3.15 per gal, it takes him $100.00 to fill his tank.

He lives in DC for crying out loud... you can't even hardly drive that thing in DC.

On the other hand... I know folks who would be stranded without their

4-wheel-drives. Those folks mostly drive 4WDs -- either big trucks, or steely utility vehicles -- not these pussy SUVs,

In the article, we read:

"To follow suit, the solution for Detroit's automakers may be simple: cut back on S.U.V.'s and pickups and put their resources into developing the cars that American drivers increasingly want."

Me think that the last word of that sentence should be NEED instead of WANT. LOL

I won't post copyrighted material in violation of the copyright law.

Jeff

Hmmm, then why are fatality rates higher for pickup trucks and SUVs than they are for passenger cars?

"The traffic safety agency reported last week that there were 16.42 deaths of S.U.V. occupants in accidents last year for every 100,000 registered S.U.V.'s. The figure for passenger cars was 14.85 deaths for each 100,000 registered; pickups were slightly higher than cars at 15.17 deaths per 100,000, while vans were lowest at 11.2 occupant deaths for every 100,000 registered. "

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John

You need to go by deaths for every 100,000,000 mi driven, rather than deaths per 100,000 vehicles. People may put more miles on one type of vehicle than another type.

SUVs have more problems with turnovers during crashes than cars.

Jeff

Duh, the average car seat 5 the average SUV seats 7. ;)

mike

My hard drive holds 120 GB. About 10 GB are used. Likewise, most vehicles are not loaded to capacity when people drive them.

I think median number of occupants of most pickup trucks, SUVs, vans and cars is 1.

Jeff

I'm glad you said in my opinion. One of the primary reasons the Senate has been reluctant to up the CAFE for light trucks is the report form the NHTSA that shows deaths and injures among children had been dropping over the past five years. The drop was attributed to the fact more of them are riding, properly belted, in the larger safer SUVs that buyers prefer to buy. ;)

mike hunt

Then go home would be my advice....

It's ok for the traitorous New York Times to publish national secrets, but you are so high and mighty you don't want to copy their crap to a NG?

Jeez....

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I don't have the right to copy the article. If I were high and mighty, I would be allowed to copy the story. But I am not. I am just an ordinary guy.

Jeff

PS, The NYT did the right thing when it published the material.

You really believe that? How about backing up your statement with some evidence?

Jeff

Perhaps it is because they have enough sense to not buy a small less safe vehicle Then why are fatality rates higher for pickup trucks and SUVs than they are for passenger cars?

"The traffic safety agency reported that there were 16.42 deaths of S.U.V. occupants in accidents last year for every

100,000 registered S.U.V.'s. The figure for passenger cars was 14.85 deaths for each 100,000 registered; pickups were slightly higher than cars at 15.17 deaths per 100,000, while vans were lowest at 11.2 occupant deaths for every 100,000 registered. " _________________________________________________

Apples to oranges. Mike referred to the safety risk of small cars, and you refer to the safety risk of all cars.

Imagine a 60 MPH head-on collision between a 5000 Lb RoadMaster and a 2000 Lb Gas-Saver. After colliding, the R/M would have been slowed to 45 MPH and the G-S would be shooting backward at 15 MPH. An R/M passenger who didn't buckle his seat belt would hit the dashboard at (60-45) = 15 MPH. A G-S passenger who didn't buckle his seat belt would hit the dashboard at (60+15) = 75 MPH. No collision is perfectly elastic, some energy would be absorbed by car body crushing, but you get the picture.

I believe cars have been commoditized, like refrigerators, and that one is about as good as the other, so there is no reason to be committed to either foreign cars or to domestic cars. This gives a buyer the flexibility and the freedom to choose a vehicle based on his own judgement. It is not necessary to justify one's own choices for value and safety by moralizing about some else's preferences,

Best regards to all alt.autos enthusiasts.

Rodan.

How many American's died and will die because of the traitorous New York Times.

I hope you or your loved ones are NOT the ones to get your heads cut off because of traitors like the New York Times....

And which have more rollover crashes? SUVs or cars?

There are tradeoffs in everything we do. If car crashes with SUVs take so many car passengeror lives, why are there more SUV occupants killed, compared to cars occupants?

Jeff

Toyota deserves its reputation for fuel efficient vehicles, and that reputation is probably why it's clobbering everyone else. Some folks claim in GM's defense that it has N cars that do 30mpg, but that probably demostrates its badge proliferation more than anything else. What happens when we crank the cutoff to 35mpg?

Number of GM vehicles doing 35mpg or better: 0 Number of DaimlerChrysler vehicles doing 35mpg or better: 0 Number of Fords doing 35mpg or better: 1 (Escape Hybrid)

Number of Toyotas doing 35mpg or better: 6 (Yaris, Corolla, Prius, Camry Hybrid, Scion xA, Scion xB)

(I may have missed 1 or 2, but you get the idea)

Chris

Zero. That's 2569 fewer than caused by Fox News.