115 vs 130 hp TDCI (Mondeo)

The 115 is not comparable to the 130. It uses a high pressure rotary pump and conventional injections (actually bosch EDC11) and is a noisy and gruff machine with quite a narrow powerband. Best avoided. The 130 with common rail injection (Delphi 1st gen) is quite alot better. Much more torque and alot quieter. This is the one to go for.

On the tranny, the 75 and 85 don't use a intercooler, the 100 does. So yes, the difference between the 75 and 85 is software alone.

Tim..

Tim does that mean that the 115 in the Mondeo is not thesame as in 115 in the Focus? and that the 130 in the Mondeo and the 115 in the Focus are more closely related.

Hi,

So the 2003 115 hp TDCI and the 2003 130 TDCI ar all together different engines?

And isn't the 130 hp noisier than the 115 hp?

J.E.L.

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The 2litre 16v unit in the Mondeo (either guise) and the 1.8 8v in the Focus are no way related! The Duratorq unit in the mondy is a sortof dieselised version of the chain cam driven petrol duratec motors, and the 1.8 Focus unit is a re bodged- endura DE with or without common rail.

From early reports it seems like Ford have over cooked the 1.8 unit as several police forces are reporting blow ups and sub150k lifespan of the 115 engine. I know of 4 Focii which are laid up with Dyfed Powys alone due to engine or turbo failure.

Its about time popped the 2litre 130 unit into the Focus to make a proper decent TD car. However its a known fact that the TDci Focus doesnt handle like the petrol units cos its too heavy. So how about a ally block / 16v headed TDci Mr Ford??

Tim..

Hello Tim

Ah that's a bit clearer for me thanks

eeekk I don't like the sound of that! I've just taken delivery of a new Ghia TDCi which has to last me the next 3 years. First impressions are all good. It goes nearly as well as my old 2.0 litre petrol Ghia but more importantly is returning 50+ Mpg.

Gets my vote! tho I dunno if it would fit however?

I have to disagree there Tim. The TDCi definately handles way better than my 2.0l Ghia (Stiffer suspension to cope with the heavier engine I'd guess). I would happily compare it with a 1.8l Zetec in terms of handling and performance

I will ask I believe the new Focus is due for some different engines

Well the force does run its cars very hard, constantly, which will obviousuly show up weakenesses in extreme service, so I doubt you will have any problems, or the 10000's of other civilian TDci's that are about.

Apparently Ford UK are looking into these failures which are cropping up. First indications suggest that its headgasket / head cracking type problems stemming from constantly high charge temperatures cos the intercooler isn't 'good enough' when the car is driven very hard over long periods.

There are about 5 different software revisions for the 115 tdci alone, and it may be that one of these is better than another in terms of engine stress. Does your new car smoke excessively or stall very easily? If so it would be worth checking with the dealer that it has the latest software, despite it being a new car.

Tim..

Well that sounds a bit better mine does not have a flashing blue light on the top but I do expect it to do around 90k over the next 3 years which I hope it will do faultlessly (note it is going in on Monday to have a dodgy Oil Pressure warning light looked at

The car doesn't smoke at all which came as a big surprise to me as I had heard the stories about it being a bit of a smoker. It did initially seem to stall a lot but I put that down to me and I have changed my driving style to the point where I can not remember the last time I stalled it. I will get the software level checked at the first service but as it was a new factory order at the beginning of September I would like to think it would be the latest level.