Detroit's darkest hour

And this gets then stuck....how??? It might stop the front axle from engaging but that is not going to get them stuck, unless of course the rear axle isn't working either.

Both.

But that is what you have implied.

Why would they?

Ah, I see. It is not whether he is correct or not that matters, just your dislike of the guy. The point is that it is not the engineers designing this crap, it is the accountants determining how to make a few extra pennies of extra profit by cutting back on the engineers designs that makes these decisions.

Oh, back to the right wing buyer beware huh? The problem with that way of thinking is that it allows for a "fuckem if you can" mentality which then results in your hated "big government".

So I guess that you are the same as you accuse him of being then.

Not enough information here.

While he may be anti-diesel, I just don't see the anti-dodge part of it.

Really??? What is the frequency of failure.

Ok, the rear hub assembly but I think that you knew that. The point is that parts fail sometimes and sometimes they are expensive and Ford does not have an exclusive on that one.

Then the same goes for the Fords front locking hubs and I'm unaware of a high failure rate here.

You're right, no one buys a 4X4 because it might afford them better traction. A functioning front drive axle has nothing to do with stuck or unstuck.

Since the axle disconnects in discussion here only disengage the outer right axle stub from the inner right axle shaft, the left axle stays engaged with the differential pinion gears, that means that when the vehicle is moving and 4X4 is not engaged, the differential pinion gears are still spinning inside the differential case.

Lock out hubs, I wish I could give you a count of the number of lock out hubs I've replaced during my years in GM and Ford dealerships, but I just never kept a record. I can tell you that in the nine years that I owned my F-150, I replaced the lock out hubs three times because they would corrode from the winter road salt so badly that they'd either leak or you couldn't engage/disengage them anymore. Wasn't unusual to spend an hour drilling out the allen bolts that held them together to perform a brake job/bearing pack only to find that they'd still not come apart due to rot and had to be removed destructively. Then there's the auto hubs that were used on the Bronco II /Ranger/Explorer chassis that would fail and when they did, the customer would be in fear of driving the vehicle in for service and have it towed. The auto locking hubs used on the GM K-5 and K-10 chassis were just plain useless.

Anyone who actually depends on their 4 wheel drive working when it's needed instead of buying it as a penis extension can certainly appreciate the simplicity and reliability of not having an added failure point as part of their front drive axle.

The only 'implications' in this thread are Snojerk's assertions that he has some sort of inside information as to why Dodge chose to do something the way they did or the reasons a consumer might choose one version over another.

Ask them. I wouldn't pretend to answer for the millions of other

I don't dislike the guy (or Snoman for that matter), never met either of them. But Snoman does give a disproportionate share of flat out wrong information, and in this case, there is no chance that he's anywhere near the position of knowing the real reasons of why a particular design choice was made.

Cite?

Back to? Should I reply with; back to the left wing buyers' poor choices are the fault of everyone else except themselves?

Sorry, I fail to see the connection between "big government" and why Dodge Ram trucks don't have front axle disconnects or lock out hubs and frankly, if were a matter of "big government" to begin with, then they would have them in the interest of emissions and energy conservation. (and just between you and me; that is starting to look a bit like a lunatic rant)

Not necessarily. Apples to Oranges isn't the same as talking out of ones ass.

What more information would you like?

Maybe you're not as familiar with his posts as I am.

Impossible to know the total, but that doesn't discount the fact that it's well known about in the repair industry.

There is no "rear hub assembly" either.

But if that part is eliminated, then the real possibility exists that the deletion of that part wasn't strictly based on shaving pennies off the cost of an axle assembly.

Just because you're unaware doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Are you serious? 4x4 front drive axel/hub assembly failures are nearly NONEXISTENT. Do you have any data indicating they fail any more often than rear axle assemblies??? What the heck are you talking about???

You vast experience with ONE F-150?

Since when did trucklet parts (Bronco II/Ranger/Explorer GM K-5 and K-10) enter in to this discussion.

How many 3/4 & 1-ton (real trucks) lock out hubs have you seen fail? You know damn well not too many.

You have a Penis fixation too? The more you rave about a nonexistent problem the sillier you look.

Well your position is questionable at best when you lump it together with your asinine assertion that lock out hub don't function exactly as designed, with nearly zero failures for well over 100,000 miles in 99% of all new 4x4 trucks.

True

and in this case, there is no chance

Actually bean counters have been directing engineering choices in Detroit for way too long, he is not far off...

No but you are the one making the silly assertion. Provide you proof. You have been called show your hand!

If this high failure rate is anything other than a figment of your imagination, you should be able to easily provide all sorts of links to information about these extensive failures. Otherwise, you are simply spewing bullshit.

I can't believe you 2 guys are still posting in this silly thread. Good grief! Thanks for crossposting and have a nice day! Just call each other on the phone and get it all straightened out.

Yes.

Based on your experience as an owner. An owner who doesn't know the difference between an axle bearing and a wheel bearing. What state do you live in?

Why are you asking an auto mechanic for statistical data? Could you possibly be any more absurd? I am giving you the benefit of my observations, f*ck me that I didn't know to keep detailed records starting back in 1979 when I first worked in a dealership. I'd really like to give you the statistics for 1983, it was a harsh winter, but I was a little busy fixing vehicles, I didn't have time to stand there with a clip board with my tie tucked into my shirt. Tell ya what, -YOU- invent the time machine and we'll both go back together and you can watch over my shoulder. Sounds fair to me.

Apparently, something that is bursting your bubble big time.

You've added no comments so I'll just assume that there is no disagreement and you actually learned something.

Read again, pay more attention to where I say "the number of lock out hubs I've replaced during my years in GM and Ford dealerships,"

Since the size of the vehicle has nothing to do with the fact that added components and complexity adds to the likelihood of more frequent failure.

Why would you even bother to ask given that earlier in your reply, you expressed dissatisfaction with my methods of recall. You'll just have to use your imagination since I can't produce the laboratory grade test results tabulated on a fleet of Cray super computers amatorized according to congressional voting districts and cross checked against blood type.

No, but you probably do since it seems to have upset you so.

So, go buy a Super Duty with vacuum locking hubs and get back to me in a few years and tell me all about "silly" when your truck won't pass an emissions test because the seals in the vacuum hubs are leaking and setting lean trouble codes. (but I'm thinking this might be a bit over your head)

Luckily, I'm not a whole lot concerned since it's quite apparent that your experiences are (to say the least) limited.

Indeed.

While that statement in and of itself is true, that doesn't necessarily make it the case in this instance. Snocone has a habit of picking out what -he- considers a flaw based upon fourth hand information and then preaching it like it's gospel. He's a self proclaimed master mechanic who's publicly admitted to farming out his leaking intake manifold gaskets (2 times on the same truck), beating Dana rear axles together with a hammer and numerous other atrocities too horrible to repeat here. (IOWs, he's a shit kicker) Even if what he is saying were true, based upon what we both agree on, he deserves a double measure of the same 'no credibility' ploy as you've attempted to use on me.

Get a job as a mechanic, join i-ATN, then do a search.

You not being in the right position to be aware does not equal me spewing bullshit.

Or; state your occupation, number of years of experience, percentage of work hours doing driveline repairs/overhauls, brand sponsored and/or aftermarket certifications and which training centers you've attended and/or taught at.

aardvarkbarracuda69062:

Beat it, troll.

This is where you should take your own advice.

lmfao. holy jumpin and down martha. barrow, you gotta be kidding. you are the biggest troll around........well steve b may be a very close ssecond, but you are still number one. you should be happy though, at least you made it to number one at something.

Nah. aardvarkbarracuda is another feces-hurling punk from the Ford balljoint thread that you once thought was important that I read, but then refused to say why. What was your problem there?

Like I said take you own advice.

Like you snipped:

Hmm? Skippy? Hello?

You're just another one of Snofraud's sock puppets.

Yup, get use to it.

You still don't get it do ya troll boy? Let me help you out a bit. Most of the folks at this ng and others realize that the Idiot is well, a idiot. They also seem to realize that your a ass hole. As such, your pretty much ignored,. you try but you fail. You might as well go back and bury your face in the Idiot's lap. It will give you something to do and keep the Idiot occupied . Sort of a win win for the pair of you and the reader's of this ng. Swallow it all troll boy, don't make a mess..

On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:40:04 +0200, Nomen Nescio felt we'd all be better off knowing the following:

Anyone else wonder why this troll posted using a anonymous remailer?

Gee...

aardvarkbarracuda69062:

He's unfazed, takes the flaming in stride. I don't know him, don't worry about him, don't really care whether he's an idiot, or not. It's very sporting-like to rile punks though, just seems like the right thing to do. And they enjoy it, I've been told so.

So you're some kind of hermaphrodite/platypus character, huh?

Nope, he has been doing this same bs for years.

That's funny.

Right. When he gets called on his bullshit, he turns tail and hides.

Because you wouldn't know the difference anyway.

I'm relieved to know that you'll have something to do when school lets out.

According to you, I am a punk. Make up your mind Sheryl, which is it?

aardvarkbarracuda69062:

"Yup, get use to it." But wait, that isn't SnoMan, it's bashful Roy, your balljoint feces-hurling co-star.

Punk is confirmed. You like bouncing lil' punkin in your lap as much as Roy does?

C'mon troll boy, get with the program. The only thing bouncing in a lap, is your face in the Idiot's lap. Don't make a mess, no drooling.