You ask if there is a problem with these cars, but you don't think it
matters which engine you're talking about? You don't think there's any
value in a quick google search to see if there is a history of problems like
yours, but instead you post the question here and then quip at a response.
Ok - the answer to your question is no.
I think Mike already gave you an answer.
GM has had a lot of problems with several of their engines, and the problems
different. But if you are outside the warranty period, it is unlikely that
repair your car for free. Call them and find out.
Here's a piece of advise for you. Don't piss of the regular's in a
newsgroup. The people here are more then willing to take the time to answer
your questions, but you have to make an ass of yourself instead. Posting
what engine you have is a *requirement*, regardless of the question.
Good luck with your Grand Am. If you would like to act like an adult, you
are welcome to come back. If not, don't bother.
How would I know who is a regular and why would I piss off anyone by asking
if GM had a secret warranty for head gasket failures. By the way GM did fix
the head gasket out of the warranty period. I just thought people would want
to know about a secret warranty if there was one. You people sure are
sensitive. This was my first question ever, I did not know there were some
kind of rules I had to follow. If no one knew anything then do not answer,
just leave my query alone. Thanks to the people who treated my question with
80 Knight was right on the mark, and tried to tell you in a decent way that
GM has not been quick to grant repairs out of warranty in a lot of their
If you got yours done for free, consider yourself lucky.
You don't seem to get it. You asked a question. In order to answer that
question, we wanted to know the engine. Instead of just giving us the engine
size, you decided to insult the people trying to help you. Next time, just
answer the question's asked of you. This is cyberspace. We can't just walk
outside and look at your car. We need to know certain things, and the most
basic are the make, model, and engine. It was a simple question.
The normal usenet protocol is to lurk for a bit and get the hang
of how things work.
There is no such thing as a "secret warranty."
OEMs from time to time do make special policy considerations.
Bear in mind, when they do that, the person who actually performs
the repair work is getting a bit of a screwing. He may also be
here answering questions anyway.
But your circumstances may not be the same as someone else's
So, were you asking, or telling?
Not really. Not mind readers either.
Well, there are. Usenet etiquette. DAGS
If no one knew which engine you were inquiring about, it's
perfectly acceptable for them to ask.
Where do I find Usenet etiquette rules and what is DAGS. I do not know the
size of motor but it is rated at 175 hp. I still do not get the reference to
Google. What can a Google tell me. I still do not believe that there are no
secret fixes or warrantees. Is this usenet site sponsored or run by GM? So
is everyone saying that someone who does not know about cars should not ask
any type of question? What is a regular, is that someone who asks questions
or answers them? Is a regular a computor expert, a mechanic or what. Can I
become a regular or is there some kind of fee for this? I know this is
alot of questions but this is my first shot at computors. By the way GM said
they fixed the car as a good will gesture, did not mention anything about a
OEM, I do not even know what an OEM is.
The basic Usenet rules are to respect others, and on car newsgroups (such as
a GM one), always include the make (such as Pontiac), model (such as Grand
Am), engine (such as 3.4) and km's (or miles). It just helps the people here
to narrow down an answer for your question.
Do A Google Search. I will explain Google in a minute.
If you go and look under the hood, the type of engine should be right on the
top. with 175 hp in a Grand Am, I would assume you have the GT version, with
the 3.4L V6.
Google isn't a person, or a thing. It is a Search Engine. www.google.com
Think of the Internet as a library. Now, you can't just walk into a library
looking for a book on the Titanic, and stumble onto it. You have to have
something or someone to tell you where to find the book. You type in a topic
(such as "Grand Am Head Gasket") in Google, and it will list all the
websites that have relevant information.
No. Usenet is not sponserd by anyone. It has been around for *many* years.
Not at all. It's just when you ask a question, and someone needs more
information (such as the engine in the vehicle), don't snap back at them.
Just answer the question the best way you can. If you still don't know, ask
them how to find out. They will tell you.
A "Regular" is someone who frequents Usenet. Someone who is always answering
questions, and even asking some themselves. A regular is known, and
respected. If you stay here long enough, you will see who to respect and
trust, and who to avoid.
You can't learn anything without asking questions. But, for the future, if
someone asks you the engine size, or whatnot, just give them the answer. A
lot of people on these groups are mechanics, and to you the engine size may
seem non-important, but they know what they are doing, and they don't just
ask questions for the hell of it.
A Goodwill gesture, usually means your car was out of the standard warranty
period, but was low enough on either miles, years, or both, so GM decided to
repair it anyhow.
As for OEM, that stands for Original Equipment Manufacture. If you go buy a
CD player from WalMart, it is Aftermarket (meaning it isn't something made
by the same company as the car itself). If you go to a GM dealership and buy
a CD player, it is OEM, becuase the same people who made your car, also made
that CD player.
Hopefully I have cleared up some of your questions. Others will also come in
and correct me where I was wrong, but please do not hesitate to ask more
questions. Everyone has to start off at some time.
Thanks for all the input, this usenet site seems a little bit like a secret
society with special terms, rules and acronyms, but I should be able to pick
it up. Someone mentioned lurking, which must mean reading all the posts and
picking up the lingo. As for all the people who got mad at me for saying the
engine size did not matter, I thought if there was a problem with certain
engines and if it was general knowledge, then certainly this site's experts
would know about it. A few years ago when Neons had head gasket failures it
was repoted on regular news media outlets and everyone knew about it. Also
the sarcasm from a few people showed that this site is not as helpful and
pristine as it should be. Treat the next newbie to this site with respect
and I'm sure they will appreciate it as much as I do.
You might just be one of the most dense newbies I've seen in a while. We
have repeatedly asked you to tell us what engine you have, and you refuse
to do it. Unbelievable! Now you are simply being obstinant....and as such,
it's not worth wasting any more time on your post.
Ya know - when you first came back with your know-it-all attitude while I
was trying to help you, I just thought I'd bail out and let you go about
your way. But, since then several people have made comment about your
approach and all you've done is rationalize your bad behavior and repeatedly
blame others for your ill mannered entrance. You seem to feel you can waltz
into a room and dictate how things are going to be and everybody should jump
to march to your drum. Well I have news for you Eric - screw you.
This site is indeed as helpful and as pristine as it should be. The problem
is that occasionally one who does not know his butt from his elbow will come
in and just start telling everybody how it should be - from a stand point of
illiteracy. You are illiterate in the ways of usenet, you are illiterate in
the matters of your car and you are illiterate in the manner of diagnosing
problems. Yet, you stomp on in demanding your way. No sir - this group is
just fine. It helps many people and we all share in the knowlege we have.
We simply do not suffer spoiled little children well. You who demand so
much respect should first try extending that which you demand.
Seeing as how I am a recent newcomer to Canada, I was wondering if the
people who delight in berating and castigating and "driving me out of town"
are Americans. The country I came from generally saw Canada as the best
country in the world, a country of reason, peace and gentleness. Since being
in Canada I have experienced all these things and a total lack of racism
also. My native country saw America as being bellicose, a bully,a war
mongerer, recist, with guns everwhere and people of colour being killed in
the streets. Again I am wondering if the people who took the time to
explain things to me who is ignorant of all that is so easy for the majority
of you, were the Canadians who I have grown to love in a few short years. I
have not seen too many movies, but, one I remember was called Mississippi
Burning, I believe, where white Americans killed many people of colour. I
hope this movie is not a true representation of how Americans think and
feel. I am not trying to change anything except the attitudes of a few
people who try to make people feel inferior or small, these few people are
the ignorant ones.
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