OK we have seen the First Ever G6 and said Blahh. And blahh to everything
else under $30k. When or Will GM make a stylish car for the common
man...Lord knows that this country is already flooded with Micky Mouse
styling cars especially under $30k. Camary finally has come out with a
decent body style and they were selling when they were ugly. What is GM
going to do to go up against Camry?
The new Camaro will be ready in 2009. That's two years or so. And the
Camaro won't compete with the Camry; the Camry is for people who want 4
doors and a back seat comfortable for adults. You won't be seeing that in
And the Camaro concept, IMHO, is ugly, the back end is too overemphasized
and the front end is too severe. The '67 and related vehicles were very
attractive. This thing isn't. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder,
could be there will be a market for it.
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I'm surprised anyone likes the new Camry. It's the ugliest Toyota in a long
The only uglier Japanese vehicle is the Honda Ridgeline. It's even uglier
than the Aztec.
People are buying japanese despite the funny styling because they want
reliability and are willing to pay more for it. GM thinks people are buying
japanese because they like the styling so are trying to copy the awkward
looks. The G6 looks like the ugly Toyota Avalon.
The new camaro is a step in the right direction.
"The Bonesman" < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
Detroit would have failed miserably on building a box. Probably a
personality thing, but it seems as though a lot of the people that buy ugly
imported cars won't buy an American car anyway. I don't think it was much
of an opportunity.
Toyota Motor Corp., buoyed by demand for fuel-efficient vehicles, is
moving closer to ending General Motors Corp.'s 80-year reign as the
world's biggest automaker.
Toyota's sales grew 7.1 percent to 4.36 million in the year's first
half, according to Toyota spokeswoman Shiori Hashimoto. GM's fell 2.3
percent, to 4.6 million, spokesman John McDonald said. GM's advantage,
now 240,000 units, has shrunk to less than half its size of 12 months
GM sales decline sharply in June
Ford, DaimlerChrysler also report lower sales; Toyota surges
DETROIT - Domestic automakers' sales slid in June, lashed by higher
gas prices and by tough comparisons with last summer's
discount-driven bonanza, the companies said on Monday.
Struggling General Motors Corp. got the worst beating; its sales
plunged 25.7 percent last month.
But rising fuel costs were a boon to Toyota Motor Corp., which credited
its fuel-efficient lineup for much of its 14.4 percent sales increase
Toyota nearer to equaling GM on sales
TOKYO Toyota Motor, the world's No. 2 carmaker by sales, is on course
to catch up with General Motors after posting sharply higher quarterly
profit Friday amid booming sales of its fuel- efficient vehicles.
Mike Hunter wrote:
Who cares what Mike Hunter thinks? I want dependable and while Toyota &
Honda may have hiccups from time to time they are the exception-with
GM/Ford/DCX it is more the norm. Until Detroit's losers *average* quality
is the equal of Toyota and Honda they will still fail-if they survive that
long. Then there is the teeny matter of building & designing cars that
people actually want to buy.
Toyota said Friday that its August U.S. vehicle sales rose 17 percent
from a year earlier, while Ford's sales dropped 11.6 percent and
DaimlerChrysler's sales fell 3.2 percent.
Toyota is the leader
Mike Hunter wrote:
Not quite. Here is the data per the WSJ:
August 2006 US Sales Summary:
TRUCK/SUV CHANGE CARS CHANGE TOTAL
GM 206,798 4.0% 156,723 3.9% 363,521
Ford 157,311 (21%) 97,801 8.5% 255,112
Toyota 96,034 13% 144,144 20% 240,178
Chrysler 144,269 (1.2%) 34,896 (15%) 179,165
Honda 69,385 15% 81,868 (15%) 151,253
Nissan 37,066 (11%) 52,782 3.9% 89,848
One lesson here is that GM managed a small gain in truck sales into a
down market while Ford got killed with it's truck line up. Toyota and
Honda continue to significantly grow their share of the Truck market.
Nissan's efforts to capture a bigger piece of the truck pie are falling
Honda is getting spanked a bit in car sales due to supply shortages of
the high fuel economy Fit and Civic models while the Accord is now
getting a bit old for a Japanese design (introduced in 2003). Toyota
brought out the 2007 all-new Camry early and probably pulled some sales
I'm tired of hearing all of these pencil-necked geeks praise Toyota and
Honda. I drove cars for 2 years for many different auto dealerships (on
dealer deliveries/special deliveries) and drove tons of Toyotas, Hondas,
Pontiac, Chevy, Dodge, Ford, etc.. I drove some of these cars on 1000 mile
trips. I drove all of these cars you're comparing and slapping jaw about.
The domestic cars are just as nice as the Japanese cars. I suggest driving
all of these cars for thousands of miles before slapping jaw about them.
You will be hearing a lot more because the sales of Toyota/Honda will
be going up
GM/Ford will be going down until they suddenly stop - bankrupt
It will be very interesting to see what happens then
Probably just more of what is already happening - closures of plants
This is the american dream in action - good win over bad
Delphi Corp. Chief Executive Officer Steve Miller said General Motors
Corp., his biggest customer, will have to file for bankruptcy
The very existence of GM, Ford Motor Co. and many Detroit- area auto
suppliers is threatened by the steady increase in wages, health-care
costs and pensions that the United Auto Workers union has won for its
members since 1947, he said. Retirement costs were manageable when
workers retired at age 65 and died five years later; they're
debilitating to companies when workers retire at 50 and live 40 more
years, Miller said.
Delphi's bankruptcy stems from ``the fundamental problems that have
crippled the domestic auto industry: an inflexible and uncompetitively
expensive labor union, along with a toxic relationship between
automaker and supplier,'' said Credit Suisse First Boston analyst Chris
Ceraso said in a research note.
Rick Wagoner, GM's chief executive, has been negotiating with the UAW
to lower health-care costs and retiree benefits. Those costs, GM says,
add more than $1,500 to the cost of every car and truck sold in the
GM bankruptcy fears rising on Wall Street
80 Knight wrote:
Your links might mean more if they were actually recent articles. And I
couldn't possibly care less what you think of GM, or it's future. GM will
bounce back. Too many lives depend on it, and you don't stay #1 for THAT
many years and then be overtaken. Toyota may take over as #1 for a little
while, but GM will bounce back. Watch and see. The General will rise again.
Several times financial institutions have made statements that GMs
bankruptcy is all but assured.
Same for Ford.
GM has kept the wolf at the gate, so far, but only time will tell. I would
not buy GM stock, although
if they manage to survive, it could be a way to make a lot of money.
I have less confidence in Ford. I think they will probably file bankruptcy
sooner or later, but will
continue under reorganization or maybe even be picked off by a large
IF the American people really get challenged on fuel, etc, then GM and Ford
may both go down,
since about the only thing that is profitable to them is the gas guzzler
segment of trucks and SUVs.
By the way, drove a Volvo (Ford) the last few weeks and it was a good
experience. Taught me not
to buy one. In typical American fashion, there was too much electronic
cockiedoodie, from the on
dash information system to the nearly unusable heating and cooling controls.
The radio, even, was
too complicated and poorly thought out. The little 2 litre diesel engine
was powerful enough and very
economical, indicating an average of about 40 mpg, and instantaneous values
up to nearly 60-70 mpg.
The killer here was the 6 speed manual transmission which was difficult to
use with confidence. Get
that baby in the wrong gear and the diesel dies...and you have to move fast
to get it restarted and into
the traffic stream.
Now to see if GM has screwed up SAAB in a similar way.
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