Nor do you live in THIS world apparently, what color is the sky in YOUR
world? My knowledge of the question ask is based on my years as Group Sales
Manager for one of the largest mega-deal groups on the east cost. In my
reply to the original poster to the question; 'Can someone copy your VIN
number off your dashboard and then go to a dealer and have a key made from
the number,' I said in part, no and anybody who tries to tell you something
different has no idea what they are talking about. You are entitle to your
opinion but not your own facts.
A quick search of the NHTSA site, for the definition of the seventeen digits
of the VIN, will reveal you are wrong my dear friend Rob, not me, there is
nothing in the VIN concerning the key code. No dealership would authorize
any employee to cut a key for any person, not know by the dealership to be
the rightful owner of that vehicle, simply because they knew the VIN. .
If you discover anything different than what is found on the NHTSA site, I
would be more than glad to look at any evidence to the contrary. ;)
By the way do you EVER have friends over for Christmas dinner that eats your
So, you'd know then right off the top of your head what the exact
torque specifications are for the rocker arm bolts on a GM 3400
engine in a 2002 Montana mini-van is, right?
IOWs, why would a sales manager know jack shit about cutting keys
when that is the lot boys job?
I believe he is saying the vin does not directly reveal key info, the vin
leads to a data bank where the info is available to specified dealer
personel that have verified owner ship of that vin/ vehicle. This is the was
it was for me as a GM and Toyota SM till 98.
It doesn't matter what "he" says. The fact is that Randy in
parts can go out to my son's car, which I happened to park
in a spot on the employee's parking lot which "Randy in
parts" thinks is "his parking spot" and he can read the VIN
thru the window, he can cut keys for the car, and then he
can punt my son's car out of the spot that he believes belongs
to him. Of course, he won't do this, but he's threatened in
the past few days.
You guys are hilarious. This stuff is common knowledge. Of
course the VIN is connected to the key code. It always has
been. Whether it's directly connected or indirectly connected
thru a database makes no difference. If someone gives me
a Canadian VIN, I can get a key cut that will physically match
the key that comes from that car, with that VIN.
But guys like Mike live in their own little world , believing whatever
they want to. Unfortunately, they spread their uninformed bullshit
everywhere they manage to type on usenet, and confuse the hell
out of the poor sap who's trying to get a straight answer.
Dateline also did a show that proved how "dangerous" the sidesaddle fuel
tanks were on a Chevy pickup. The problem with the "proof" was that the
subject "dangerous truck" exploded about 1/2 second BEFORE the collision
with another vehicle.
That is a far different situation, then what the original questioner asked.
I'm sure 'Randy' could go down the street and bring back some heron as well.
The fact remains one can not go to a dealership with a VIN from somebody
else's car and walk out and steal the car, no matter what you believe.
But what if instead of making Randy pay money for the drugs, they get
him to pay in service to them. Keymaking service. I guess then you
could steal a $40K car for a bit of blow. Sounds like a hell of an
Hi Guys and Girls
Been watching this "Crazy" thread for days.
Lets all agree that Dishonest people working in dealerships DO have the
ability to cut these Keys!!
VINS do provide the info. It's truly up to people who make these keys to
check out that the rightfull person who owns the vehicle is the one who they
are making the key for!!
Larry from NJ
Well said - and what you said is the main thrust of the GM P&P
Manual pontification on this issue. Also, GM makes a strong point
about having one trusted employee be the "point person" for such key
For what it's worth, I currently have, sitting on my property, a vehicle th
at is registered to NOBODY as it is a salvage-titled theft recovery that I
have in fact gotten the VIN specific key for, due to the original being los
t in the theft. To answer the ORIGINAL query - thus avoiding all of the ign
orant semantics - one can, yes, acquire a key by knowing only the VIN. I ha
ve it setting on my property now as proof. No person is registered on this
vehicle, the title is 'open', however, due to my physical posession of it a
nd it's documentation I was able to get a replacement VIN-Matched key for i
t. If you are concerned about your own vehicle, you can put tape over the l
ast 6-8 numbers of you VIN tag as a precaution without overly upsetting law
enforcement. I deal with this often enough and just hope that this helps t
o answer the original question.
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