GM joins Ford in jettisoning the minivan market

A 2.7L Charger must be a real slug. Even the 3.5L is not particulalrly impressive. The 3.5L Chrysler 300 is slower than the 3.0L Ford Five Hundred which everyone except me says is "too slow." I can't imagine the 3.5L Charger is any faster than the 3.5L Chrsyler 300.

I wonder how many 2.7L V-6 Chargers Chryler actually sells? Hard to imagine anyone wanting a slow car that is also uncomfortable, rides poorly, has mediocre fuel economy (21/28), rattles, and is unreliable. I can see the atttraction of the Hemi version, at least until I get my first speeding ticket.

Ed

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C. E. White
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Where are you getting this idea? When I bought a Nissan Frontier earlier this year, I did a bit of shopping and everyone's lot was stuffed with pick-ups. If anything, the Toyota dealers had many more Tundras on the lot, in relationship to sales, than Ford had F150s. The Nissan dealers had Frontiers and Titan everywhere. The Nissan dealer nearest my house has at least 50 Frontiers on the lot right now (and this is on the lot where I can see them - he has storage lots out in the country I don't see).

Where are you? When I was shopping for a Tundra, the dealer had no problem rolling out one with the options I wanted from the "back" lot. When my Son was shopping for a Mustang, the dealer had to get one from 100 miles away to match his wants. The dealer also had plenty of Tacomas, but they came in too varieties, stripped 4 cylinder manual models, and completely loaded up and totally useless for a work truck models. I actually wanted a Tacoma instead of a Tundra, but they had no Tacomas with the equipment I wanted - they were either ridiculously over-equipped (and therefore ridiculously over-priced) or stripped to the bone (but still ridiculously over-priced). I could find plenty of Tundras set up as a work truck with the equipment I wanted. For some reason, Toyota wasn't building any Tacomas with similar equipment. I assume they figure the only people who buy Tacomas are fleets looking for strippers and boy racer looking for big wheels, big stereos, and lots of chrome. They had plenty of those choking the lot.

Again where do you live? You don't have Toyotaton? Around here it seem like "Toyotaton" is an 11 month event. When Toyota isbn't running ads with stupid F150 comparison (like my Tundra can haul 6'6" boards - your Ford can only haul 6' 3" boards), they are screaming about the huge savings, great discounts, rebates, etc. If you listened to the Toyota ads, you would think they were giving Tundras away (at least till you try to buy one and they slap on the "dealer fees" that make the price non-competitive). Nissan is even worse. It seems like they have been running the "Year End Sales Event" ads since last January.

Why do you think Ford is shutting down so many US plans and offering buy-out to 30+% of their work force.

Ed

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C. E. White

That may be your opinion but when I owned my formed fleet business numerous departments particularly city departments, bought the Chevy and Dodge FWD cars because they were available for a few thousands less than the Interceptor and got better fuel mileage Service experience soon shows the maintenance and repair cost vis a v the Interceder far outweigh the lower purchase price and when they bought more cars they returned to the Ford. Ford 'owns' the police car business, by at least eight to one at well over

100,000 units, over the current Doge RWD cars and the Chevy.. That surely slows which car department prefer.

mike

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Mike Hunter

That may be but Ford still sells more F150s in about a month or so than Toyota sells Tundras in a year ;)

mike

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Mike Hunter

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:23:13 +0000, John Horner got out the hammer and chisel and etched in the wall:

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Yeah, I work in a building next to two Sheriff stations. We share the same parking lots. I see a ton of Crown Vics outside and no Impalas. Since the Feds moved in there are a few black Suburbans, too.

Only one Avalanche though. And I get to drive it home. :P

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PerfectReign

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:46:40 -0500, Mike Hunter got out the hammer and chisel and etched in the wall:

What "may be your opinion?" Please don't top post.

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PerfectReign

I'll try to remember next time officer ;)

mike

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Mike Hunter

The 3.5L Chrysler 300 has 250HP and according to Car and Driver the 0-60 time is 7.3 seconds and that's with the lousy 4 speed. The 07 3.5L has the

5 speed which should improve it to 7.0 sec. No way is the Five Hundred faster than the Charger/300 with 3.5L. Sure the Five Hundred is lighter by a couple of hundred pounds but it is giving up 50HP/45 FT-LBS.

I have rented the 300 and it handles well and is really comfortable. No rattles and light years ahead of GM products. The bad areas are front/rear visibility.

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Victor

You forgot to mention that it is incredibly ugly too.

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Edwin Pawlowski

That is your opinion. It has won the 10 best award for 3 years in a row. Car and Driver usually hates domestic cars but not with this car. The only car that GM makes that is RWD and has the performance of the Hemi is the Cadillac STS V8 but it costs 50% more.

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Victor

Still coming in from the back seat on volume sold eh! We all know volume sold has little to do with quality, it's all about lower initial cost for most buyers.

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who

The understatement of the day.

After struggling with the lack of visibility of a rental Magnum, when I returned to my LH it was like being in a green house. Visibility returned! Night time vision through the Magnum's heavily tinted rear window was non existent. I needed outside help from my wife to park at night.

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Some O

No question the 300C has power and accelerates, but don't pass that gas station.

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who

Ford discontinuing another product that is selling well in a market they control! Oh well, Toyota will probably fill the need again.

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who

I guess that explains why then Camry is the number one selling car in the US. ;)

mike

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Mike Hunter

What car does? ;)

mike

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Mike Hunter

You're admitting it!

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Spam away

I have a cool book about Mopar police packages over the years. The car I liked the most that they show is a 60's era Dart wagon with a 170 slant 6 one barrel for patrol duties. The police slant six added beefier bearings. At the other end of the mopar police package performance spectrum was the 440ci 4 barrel cars for highway patrol/interceptor duties. And every engine in between was also used -- 225 slant 6, 318ci,

360, 400, 440 in various flavors of carburettion. I dont think they put the 340 in cop cars. They didn't put the 426 Hemi in cop cars back then.
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Grappletech

You mean I'm agreeing with you that Camrys number one position has little to do with quality? ')

mike

We all know volume sold has little to do with quality,

I guess that explains why then Camry is the number one selling car in the

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Mike Hunter

Same as Windows is the #1 OS :)

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Eugene

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