I don't have the right to copy the article. If I were high and mighty, I
would be allowed to copy the story. But I am not. I am just an ordinary guy.
PS, The NYT did the right thing when it published the material.
It's either a troll, or a ultra-conservative, close-minded, self-righteous
opinionaited "bush is always right" hate-monger who seems to blame a
newspaper for all the ills (while probably listening to Rush (get another
hit) Limbaugh on a daily basis.
Either way, I'm thankful for the ability to "killfile" a moron like this
who does nothing but disparage others and uses this newsgroup as his own
personal soapbox against the NYT... without substantiating anything, we
How do either of you know? Neither of you have proved your claims.
Both of you are also forgetting that the Times was very pro-Bush on war
policy until well after Iraq was invaded, as exemplified by Judith
In the article, we read:
"To follow suit, the solution for Detroit's automakers may be simple: cut
back on S.U.V.'s and pickups and put their resources into developing the
cars that American drivers increasingly want."
Me think that the last word of that sentence should be NEED instead of WANT.
Toyota deserves its reputation for fuel efficient vehicles, and that
reputation is probably why it's clobbering everyone else. Some folks claim
in GM's defense that it has N cars that do 30mpg, but that probably
demostrates its badge proliferation more than anything else. What happens
when we crank the cutoff to 35mpg?
Number of GM vehicles doing 35mpg or better: 0
Number of DaimlerChrysler vehicles doing 35mpg or better: 0
Number of Fords doing 35mpg or better: 1 (Escape Hybrid)
Number of Toyotas doing 35mpg or better: 6
(Yaris, Corolla, Prius, Camry Hybrid, Scion xA, Scion xB)
(I may have missed 1 or 2, but you get the idea)
To each his own Chris, but I can only tell you that mileage is not my number
one qualifier in car purchase decisions. It's probably down around my third
or fourth. That said - I assume the ability to deliver around 30 on the
highway as a baseline. Factors more important to me and which I do not
think that some of these Toyotas are capable of delivering (Prius, Yaris,
Corolla) is the overall safety of the car. These little runabouts may
appeal to short trip, urban street, or grocery getter crowd, but I sure
would not bet on the ability of these cars to come out on the better end of
a collision in the types of driving conditions outside of your typical 30mph
residential speed zones. As well, I don't see them as comfortable at all
for any trip longer than your average work commute. To own one of these
would require owning a second car just for the purpose of accommodating
normal driving requirements. Hardly worth the few extra miles per gallon
That's fine. It's not my top priority either. In fact, I don't own any of
the Toyotas I named. It is a big deal for many people, however. I just
wanted to point out that the domestic makes seem utterly uncompetitive on
this important criteria, alienating a major market segment. I think it's
remarkable that even the subcompact and compact cars from *all* the domestic
makes are such underperformers in the MPG department.
About 8 months ago when I rented a (I think 2003) GMC full size truck to do
a bit of hauling for the day. It rode faily well (for a truck) when loaded
down, but empty it still had
a jumpy ride. (And the trucks I see on the road are empty about 95 % of
What is your Japanese car? A Tennessee made Nissan?
not sure I would consider a 2003 new but whatever. As for the cars I
have honda civic and a camry. My father has an 04 2500 and it definitly
drives better than my civic (can't say much for the gas milage though)
and it would be right there with my camry.
Two years ago I test drove a new Chevy pickup truck. Driving down our
highway was like taking a ride on a bronco. It just kept bobbing front
to back over the slabs of concrete. Not for me thank you!
You are assuming all light trucks are pickups, SUV and vans are included in
that category. Individuals are not the only buyers of trucks. Not all
Americans live in cities. In some parts of the county when people say 'I
bought a new CAR' they are talking about their new TRUCK The three top
selling vehicles in the US are NOT cars.. They are the Ford F150, Chevy
Silverado and the Dodge RAM. The F150 has been the number one selling
vehicle in the US for nearly thirty years. It currently sells at a rate
nearly twice that of the best selling car. ;)
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