Do I really need new timing belt on '03 TL w/ only 23.8K miles??

except that it does because often times, people rushing to do stuff quickly screw stuff up. and worse, replace high quality oem parts with cheapo low quality aftermarket, and the thing doesn't last 30k miles.

that's because it's oem honda, and they're that good. and that's why if you look at the service manual maintenance schedule, the pump has an "I" next to it, not a "R".

as others have said, collateral damage. and i wasn't referring /just/ to the coolant pump, but to /any/ component replaced on a superstition/extra profit schedule rather than a knowledge schedule.

but you also have the matter of replacing something of very high initial quality and low mileage with inferior aftermarket. a friend of mine had a bunch of work done to his civic, at a dealer here in the bay area, and paid full dealer price, but they used aftermarket components. i wouldn't have believed it, but he showed me the invoices and the components clearly had aftermarket manufacturer names on them.

from the direct metal contact and local friction

. if the motor were to constantly run

Could that be for Canadian versions? What does that CD mean in the URL address, anyway? I can imagine Canadian versions having more frequent intervals due to the harsher weather, but I'm just speculating.

Oh, so that's why my dealer suggested wheel alignment every time I took my car in? I never needed one since I quit going to the dealer.

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cameo wrote in news:jqsake$f6t$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

Canada has the same timing-belt service intervals as the US.

it needs "checking" periodically, true, but the check is a visual one and a problem is self-evident. just like an oil leak. you certainly don't need to put it on a machine and charge the customer for it if there's no evidence it's needed.

there is a "severe service" schedule for very hot and very cold climates, but that link doesn't say anything about it. just like those pages don't say what vehicle. the poster says what, but pages don't.

One would think so but then you find a Canadian web link like this:

where if you fill in the Complete Maint. Schedule variables for a 1994 Accord sedan and View Complete Maint Schedule for it, you'll find a "Specific Additional Required Maintenance" list at the bottom where timing belt replacement is called for at 96,000 km, which is about

But they did. Well, if you believe the charges.

The industrial belts that have been supplied over the past 10 years are nitrile units with fibers (some fiberglass, some kevlar) and are standard lengths that can be bought at auto supply stores for the most part (aside from the double sided timing belts).....

I was taking off from a light in first gear, hit about 3500 rpm and then nada. Knew what it was right away......

well, you're talking to the "business". i'm talking to the technical necessity.

you'll get yet another disparity* if you look at the european specs too. which is why, with the qualification that belts /do/ need to be inspected and changed periodically, i'm in the "pinch of salt" department on this.

• my favorite is towing capacity. euro-spec towing capacity for a civic with a braked trailer is 4 digits. u.s. spec is zero. now /that/ is

kevlar is not typically used in automotive belts because it's susceptible to moisture, particularly at elevated temperatures. there are other aramid fibers out there that are better suited - twaron being the most common.

forgive the pedantry, but a toothed belt is not automatically a "timing" belt. the term "timing belt", in correct usage, is when there is a specific gear synchronization function, like syncing an engine's cam to its crank. the kind of drive belt you get for a final drive on a harley is simply a "toothed belt". and that's what the majority of industrial drives are.

sure, it happens. but as i said, the majority break at or close to idle

- for the reasons given.

Our servo systems do quite a bit of syncronized movements with other drives/digital and analog IO. These all use timing belts where direct drive is not available. The extuders themselves used toothed belts, though they all use closed loop vector regen drives for our control loops.

Yep....my sample size is quite small.

cameo wrote in news:jqtesm$d9s$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

Well woddyaknow. I was wrong. Even for my car they list a 60K mile belt chenge, whereas my factory paper manual (which I've been following for 21- years) says 90K miles.

This must be a fairly new thing, since the paper manuals I have (non- Accord, mind you) that are meant for both the Canadian and US markets give no difference in interval for either market. I wonder what changed?

i recently changed on of mine at 110k. it was in pretty decent shape when it came off.

detroit-trained management. the same ones that managed to ensure transmission failures "mysteriously" occurred across the honda line of civic, accord, odyssey, etc. [you don't get simultaneous failures on different transmission families unless you make a management decision that it's going to happen.]

and as we all now know, honda usa's senior guy is an "ex" frod guy. either he's misguidedly having honda mimic the worst of detroit's maintenance practices in an attempt to make a small amount more money without realizing the consequences. or he's still actually working for frod and setting out to undermine honda's customer loyalty as part of frod's public perception repositioning program.

I can cite 3 instances:

1984 Honda Accord, at a stoplight (friend, 28,000 miles)

I never understood before why all three of these failed while at idle. I don't know of any that failed while moving.