Made in China ... I'm pissed !

that's because you either haven't done any homework, or because you're shopping for the cheap crap.

no, the "u.s." branded tire, made in china, is sold at exactly the same price as it was when it was made here.

just like your chinese made toothpaste and tooth brush costs exactly the same now its made in china as it did made here.

seriously - this is just a fabulous win-win for our political and corporate masters! get rid of the unions and corporate pension obligations, thus changing the political landscape - and make more money!!!

As if they would not turture their own opposition on their own, huh? So who was teaching the current rulers how to torture? The Shah was a progressive ruler compared to these current clerical thugs there.

Typical "blame the US" that is the mantra of the Left. Mosadeq was a Soviet puppet and we could not afford him during the worst of Cold War.

Mosadeq was an elected leader and not a torturer. Just don't go saying that we go to war for Democracy because that's plain bullshit. Everyone who was a problem for the profits of the wealthy was overthrown.

Well, that leads back to an actual Honda question. My old 91 Accord, I'm still figuring out whether to keep it going - well, it's going fine but has all these minor problems and looks like shit.

Anyway, it needs tires. I only drive it around 6000 miles per year, and not much of that is high speed. So I really don't need tires that will last 60,000 miles, nor high performance ones. I think that I really do just need cheap crap as long as they're safe.

So, for 185 70R14, what would you recommend? I'm thinking of just going to the local junkyards and looking for a set of decent used tires.

so? unless it's an adequacy thing, why do you care? does it let in water when it rains? does it not filter out the gold diggers?

ok, go used. i've done that before. just keep the best ones on the rear, and make sure tires on each axle are the same.

It does a GREAT job filtering out the gold diggers. No on would think I was really a rich guy. Well, rich in those non-monetary things in life.

I'll take a look and see what they junkyards are offering. I think the date on the tire is pretty important?

I don't know off hand, what I paid for the American made "Definity" tires that I put on my 87 Ford van. The Two rear tires for our 92 Caddy,"Definity" made in the U.S., were P225/60TR16 (75,000 mile tire) and were $85.99 each. The tires, same brand, that I was "whining" about (Made in China) were Definity HX700 ... P195/60HR14 (55,000 mile tire) and cost $74.99 each. By the time they have torn every extra chunk of flesh that they can get from you, and you have made it out the door, the wallet is lighter by $407.15.

How about less than 10th of that 1.2 million? Check the following, more reliable source:

Of course 100 thousand is a lot, too, but only propogandists would want to exaggerate that figure to 1.2 million. Most of those deaths, by the way, can be attributed to Iraqis themselves and Al Qeda, not to US forces directly.

So yes, we need to shoot false messengers.

so, after you've allowed for size, you're getting charged the same for chinese crap as you were for domestic. i call that a rip-off.

thing that gets me is the deceptiveness of it. the sales guys /know/ consumers hate being ripped off paying the same for chinese crap as they paid for domestic, so they wriggle and squirm. but management doesn't get it because they're out of touch. if they were in touch, they'd know that they can rip off a consumer once, but not twice.

is it /really/ worth losing a customer forever, just the sake of one sale with a slightly higher profit margin? [rhetorical] i can hear the

24yo mba hotshot working on his spreadsheet: "yeah, i can make a 23% margin delta if i sell this goose that keeps laying those funny yellow eggs." brainless idiots.

As you said, after taking the size difference into consideration, they cost at least as much as the domestic. Also, these tires are only rated for

55,000 miles, as opposed to the 75,000 miles of the others.

I believe they are not a favorite for car bombs, as they last too long to give them up.

Right. I think their preference for car bombs is Yugos and Fiats.

You could always go to someplace like tirerack.com to do some comparison shopping and review ratings.

Thanks, perhaps that is accurate. The deaths were entirely our fault for, first, installing Saddam Hussein and then removing him. I suppose we can blame it on god for putting oil in Iraq but I blame Cheney.

Thanks, that's useful. Can I get the tires shipped to one of their local installers? Getting those shipped to home or the office would be a bit of a pain.

Well, what kind of conspiracy theory have you been reading about us installing Hussein in Iraq? I am old enough to remember all the inside fighting between the various factions of the Baath Party in the '60-s which eventually resulted Hussein and his thugs gaining the upper hand there. Didn't seem like the US had much of an interest in that outcome.

You can find local installers on their web site. They ship directly to them....and you pay the installer for the mounting and balancing. I've used them twice....a lot of reviews and ratings for all kinds of tires, including cumulative total miles driven from all reviews (some of the more popular tires ratings are in the millions of miles). If anything, it's good for reading ratings and comparison price shopping, even if you buy elsewhere.

Yes, I read through it and it seems like a good idea. They even have the prices charged for mounting and stems and such. Thanks, I'll probably do this.

"jim beam" wrote >

Wrong again - "Intel ... employs three quarters of its chip-making employees in the United States".