Radio says Honda settled, but I didnt see the exact terms.
I received a letter in Dec saying that I was a member of this suit.
The proposed settlement was that Honda would pay for repairs
inccurred up to 38K miles instead of 36K due to inaccuracies
in odometers. Plus leasees would have 2K mileage overchanges
I do not know if 5% odometer inaccuracies are consider engineering
norm or rather sloppy by current standards.
what's "random" got to do with it? the point is that it's less than
other vehicles, [or to put it another way, twice as good as some] so why
the lawsuit for honda but no one else? /that/ is the bull.
contrast that with something that's a safety issue such as red rear turn
signals, but that's /not/ a lawsuit? this is domestics vs. imports b.s.
pure and simple. detroit can't build a better car? start a lawsuit!
I don't know - not all together bad. There has long been a practice
to target the odo to be 5% on the high side. Manufacturers are now
put on notice that they will be accountable for the full mileage as
Sorry it had to happen to my favorite car company, but I don't think
it is going to cost them too much. And I bet every speedometer coming
off every assembly line just got more accurate and every existing
warranty/lease just got 5% longer.
On 3/3/2007 7:09 AM L Alpert spake these words of knowledge:
Is this a trick question? Given your numbers the easy answer is Honda
owners with less than 37800 miles on the clock, and the law firm. Were
you thinking this was some sort of either/or proposition?
It's true that Smokey the Bear deserves praise for his campaign against
forest fires, but nobody ever mentions the boy scouts he kills for their
I'd bet that the lawyers will take in more than Honda will render in added
warranty service. Now, if they extended the 36 months time frame by 1.8
months, I'm sure that would have helped much more <sic>.
as far as this newsgroup is concerned, i don't care about the lawyers -
what blows my mind is that the troll that started this thread got so
many people's panties in a bunch over something that is:
a. trivial, and
b. irrelevant to them!
Other winners: Lease holders who had to pay for excess mileage when
they turned in their cars. Also everyone who buys a new Honda (or
other brand as they are all taking note) who will get a car with an
accurate odometer and won't have to sue to get the full warranty/lease
term for which they paid. Is that worth maybe $10 per car on the
average? That would be about $1.6 Billion for consumers over the next
ten years. The lawyer's share comes to 0.6%, paid for by Honda.
And that would be relevant... how?
This is the point of class action lawsuits. A company can make
significant money ripping off thousands or millions of consumers for a
few bucks each. No one instance of rip-off would justify legal action
(try to find a lawyer who will sue for $1000 and charge less than
$1000 for his work.) But collectively, the consumers can sue and the
total damages make it worthwhile for a law firm to take the case.
This is a great example of the free market at work. A law firm sees
a profit opportunity in helping organize consumers into a body, a
corporation if you will, to recover money which is rightfully owed to
them. If he is correct in his judgment that the case can be won and
he conducts it well enough to win it (or to get the corporation to
settle) he will make a profit. If he miss-judges the merit of the
suit, or he bungles the execution, he may lose his substantial
Businesses do not avoid cheating people out of the goodness of their
corporate hearts. They avoid it when they perceive that it is in
their financial best interest not to cheat the consumer. Class action
law suits are one thing that keeps them honest. Small claims court is
another. Businesses would like to eliminate both and run their subtle
PR campaigns to disparage lawyers who do class action suits. Don't be
<snip remaining drivel>
"rip off"??? dude, are you out of your freakin' mind? you're talking
about the difference between a 5% and 10% inaccuracy, which is within
the limits of those requited by the d.o.t. and certainly less than that
of other manufacturers. tire pressure alone can account for more of a
problem. and the economic impact is what exactly? and since there's no
technical grounds for your position, do you instead have evidence of
fraud instead? were honda subpoenaed for corporate memos directing
their engineers to deliberately fudge instrumentation? no?
if you want to shill for domestic manufacturers, declare that. don't
pose as "an outraged member of the public".
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:20:50 -0800, jim beam wrote:
All he did was post the rationale behind class-action lawsuits, and the
justification for the law firms making money off of them.
He did not say that Honda ripped anyone off, nor was Honda found guilty of
In lawsuits, perception is reality. This was a cheap price to pay, for
Honda, from a PR point of view.
Don't want to shill for anybody, just want an accurate odometer. Yes,
there are external factors, like tires, that can affect accuracy but
that is separate from the fact that odometers almost universally
overstate mileage. I assume that is the case here or there wouldn't
be a case.
I have no ideas which manufacturers might be better or worse in this
They are the norm, really, since Speedometers are rarely accurate, and
most Odometers are run by the speedo.
Some of us get great benefit from this suit. My Speedo and Odo are pretty
spot-on, so I get a couple thousand miles of free warranty... ;-)
Motorsforum.com is a website by car enthusiasts for car enthusiasts. It is not affiliated with any of the car or spare part manufacturers or car dealers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.