what makes you think honda are incompetent? or to put it another way,
why do you think some dude that wants to sell you something knows more
than honda engineers who test their stuff full loaded in july in the
The young fellow "jack", who can be described as the "Original Poster", or
the "OP", also posted the very same question independently to
My reply, posted only to that group and not this one, pointed out these
1) OP had not specified whether he wished to cool engine or transmission
2) Many US-market Honda engines already come with oil coolers attached to
the oil filter mounting point, and that OP should check to see if he
already had one of those.
3) Automatic transmissions already come with oil coolers (OP then refuted
me by bizarrely claiming that ATF is not a lubricant. I kid you not).
4) OP's local Honda dealer will have any Honda-approved devices he should
desire, and OP should telephone them or visit them in person with his
5) It is unwise to yourself perform an alteration of the factory
configuration of a very much *still-warranteed* 2009 vehicle.
Nobody in this Honda group thought of any of those points, did they?
On 8/7/2009 7:31 PM Tegger spake these words of knowledge:
Good point, Tegger, and as beam said, I wasn't trying to reply to the
OP, because I don't have any answers. I do recall needing an ATF cooler
on my Odyssey, and one being recommended by Honda for my '03 Accord IF
towing was a regular feature.
I don't know that 4) above is correct; I would think that Honda *might*
have the/an approved device, and it would certainly be a good place to
ask, although we have all seen instances where the dealer didn't have a
I believe that 5) above would be irrelevant IF the device was
Honda-recommended, as the OP was requesting, although perhaps not, if
the shop doesn't do the installation.
Hope all is well with you in the great white north; with many ISPs
dropping usenet, this place has become kinda dusty!
A diagnostic is someone who doesn't know whether there are two gods.
i don't understand this obsession with after-market oil coolers for
towing. it makes as much sense as the ridiculous notion we have about
using oversized vehicles for towing. if anyone has ever been to europe
and seen the honking great trailers being towed by family sedans and
hatchbacks, no oil coolers, we all might get a little better perspective
than being suckered by people trying to sell stuff we don't need and
that introduce a potential failure point into an otherwise tested and
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