what value do you get from navigation? personally, i already know where
i live, where my work is, where the local stores are, etc. why on
earth do i need to spend $1k+ for a navigation option that i'll use less
than 3 days a year and can be "simulated" by a $10 rand mcnally? i
don't get it.
I think it is mainly for people who travel a lot. I'm more like you - the
times we go to unfamiliar places I Mapquest the markets, restaurants,
laundromats, etc and navigate while my wife drives. In earlier times we did
find ourselves spending a lot of time trying to figure out how to get to the
hotel we could see on the other side of the canal in a strange town at night
when we couldn't find a place to buy a map - things like that.
At work we bought a Lowrance iFinder GPS and matching MapCreate software. We
often have to go to wild places in all sorts of weather, and saving one
misadventure in our Sno-cat at night will easily pay for it. Anyway, the
software has selectable details that can be loaded into the GPS. We rely a
lot on the topo stuff and the back roads. It even has every two-track dirt
road on the rez - without a GPS the only sane thing to do out there at night
is to pull over and wait for daylight. We can also selectively load
restaurants, hotels, etc, into the GPS. Not bad for about $300 US total, but
like a map it is not something a driver alone can use without pulling over.
If one only goes out of their area 3 days a year
it makes no sense. In this case I'd recommend
mapquest since it's free.
I may just be different but I go to lots of
places other than work/local-stores all the time.
The nav is great for getting me there.
But would I pay $1k for this. Hum... No, when I
ordered a Mini last year I didn't because all it
did was navigation (the deal fell thru but that's
a different story).
The Honda nav has a lot more than just navigation.
It has address/type/phone info on a million
businesses in the US. This and the ability to
search these adds tremendously to the value.
Ever been on a trip (or out of your normal area)
and needed to know where the nearest gas station
Or needed cash and want to find the nearest ATM?
Or the nearest restaurant? (The nav lets you
specify fast-food / Mexican / Italian / Thai /
American / etc. I found a great Cajun fish
restaurant this way.)
Ever had (or a passenger ever had) a headache /
toothache / etc and wondered where the nearest
drugstore / grocery store was?
Or had a flat-tire / out-of-gas and need the
phone number of the nearest gas station so you
can call them to send someone out?
Or nearest Honda dealer? Or the nearest Target or
other kind of shopping? Or the nearest hotel? Ever
wanted to find the nearest post office / police
station? Or hardware store / stereo store?
For me these features make the Honda nav unit
worth the money.
The newer nav units have real time routing
around traffic jams. And have restaurant reviews.
On a more minor note: I've lived in San Francisco
for 23 years and I and friends have been surprised
that it occasionally finds quicker routes. I also
really like the fact that I don't have to keep
referring to the map and/or figuring where I am
and where I need to turn next. I get to pay
attention to *driving* because the nav takes care
I have 2005 Accord w navigation and love it (and
because it only comes with on the EX w leather it
really bumps the total price up a *lot* more than
Honda/Acura seems to have the best OEM unit. I've
been told the Toyota unit takes a long time
(~4 minutes) to recalculate if you go off the
route (the Honda unit takes about 20 sec). Friends
with BMWs don't like the clumsy rotary/press input
(Honda has a touch screen). I've looked at the
Alpine after market units and they have more
features and about a $3k price.
I will never consider another car without a *good*
that's my point - the vast majority of people don't go that far afield.
personally, i live only 15 miles from work, don't use the car for
work, yet i do about 25k per year. and i manage without nav. don't
think that makes me extroardinary. if i have long distance travel to
do, i fly & rent. can't say i've ever had a problem getting free maps
from the rental company.
better than a free map?
how? who would drive at random and have no idea of destination? if you
have destination, route is merely a planning exercise which has a
trivial extension to incorporate all that you list.
no. they're all over the side of the road.
they're in gas stations, malls, stores, etc.
no. they're all over the side of the road.
over the counter painkillers are at gas stations.
no. i have aaa for that.
no. you've posted this message, so presumably you have access to the
net. if that fails, i [gasp] /ask/!!!
that's impressive. but i'm coming from the other end of the spectrum to
you when i say that.
so, i'm stuck on the bay bridge. i'm not going anywhere as there's no
alternative routing. now what? send out for pizza?
i would never consider a car /with/ a nav unit. seems /utterly/
ridiculous to me. just like people that buy cars based on the quality
of the stereo. but hey, i'm told that some people worry about the color
of their toilet paper too.
It's not "an absolute necessity". It is a very
useful tool to have in the car.
New things come out and people use them.
20 years ago people didn't even know the web
A hundred years ago people used horses instead
I don't think anyone is proposing we go back to
those ways of life.
Or that we cannot live without these new things.
The issue is not "if we can or cannot live without
these". The issue is "does one see an advantage to
And each one of us get to make our own choice.
When someone says, "I could never imagine having a car without it," that
person's imagination is extremely limited--because for years, he did
have one without it.
What he's doing is refusing to admit that he could live without it.
He's being a spoiled, selfish brat.
One wonders what will happen when the asteroid finally hits...
Who's quote is this? Not mine.
I said: "I will never consider another car without a *good*
Or a car without an electric starter. People did without
these for years.
New features come out. Why select a car without the
feature one wants?
You are confused about the quote.
Could you elaborate on why wanting modern features
makes one spoiled or a selfish brat?
> > I'm amazed that people were able to exist
> > even 10 years ago, given what they consider
> > an absolute necessity of life today.
> It's not "an absolute necessity". It is a very
> useful tool to have in the car.
> New things come out and people use them.
> 20 years ago people didn't even know the web
> A hundred years ago people used horses instead
> of cars.
> I don't think anyone is proposing we go back to
> those ways of life.
> Or that we cannot live without these new things.
> The issue is not "if we can or cannot live without
> these". The issue is "does one see an advantage to
> using them".
> And each one of us get to make our own choice.
If you pull out a map more than 2-3x a week..... then get a Nav unit,
2-3x a day... better get a good one. its just like anything else.
would I get a $150 a month 5000min cell plan if I only wanted it to
call AAA if I break down....no... while if I am working Realestate and
I am on my cell phone for 3hrs a day I would wanna get that plan.
Everything is useful if you use it, nothing is useful if you dont.
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Yes, way better. The nav is there in the car all
the time. Mapquest requires internet access. In
the past I've always had a full set of local maps
and had no problem using them. But the nav is
much more convenient and it pays attention to the
routing so I can focus on the driving.
No one proposed driving at random.
So if you are out and want to go to a store but don't
have the address how do you plan the trip? Sure, stop
call information, call the store, write down the
address and then pull out the maps.
There are lots of place where they're not "all over".
Having had the nav for a while it's really amazing
how many are near by but not visible.
An I acknowledge that it's certianly possible to
wander around long enough and find one.
Good for you.
The advantage is when I'm in the car. If I'm at
home or work I have phone books and the web.
I don't know many people that carry phone books
or have internet access in their car.
> if that fails, i [gasp] /ask/!!!
Sure you can ask strangers on the street for
directions. People have done that for years.
However, it is my preference not to have depend
on the knowledge and kindness of strangers. And
there are lots of times when there is no one
around to ask.
What do you me by "i'm coming from the other end of the
Uh, the point is to avoid the problem in the first
place. Sure once you are there you are stuck on the
bridge you are stuck. But depending on where you
are heading taking the San Mateo bridge might be a
lot faster. And of course one can listen to the
radio to try and figure this out.
You forgot to add the usual $3000 - 4000 markup by your friendly dealer. Of
course, one would think they could not over-price it because an RSX S runs
around 23500-24,000. At 20.5, it would be about what I paid for my 01
Prelude I bought at the end of the year when dealers were trying to get them
off the lot because they were discontinued -- and therefore undesireable.
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