For the rest of the year, I'll be on the interstate for a weekly 500 mile
round trip-- and want to get a radar detector. They seem to range from $50
on up to$500 or more.
I'm not interested in over working my credit card for "the very best" one.
Nor do I need one that gives me the cop's name and what he had for breakfast
when he lights me up. I just want a little advance warning of cops in the
area if the old needle creeps up too high-- real easy to do in my '07 Accord
EX-L Sedan 6 cyl.
So where's the most bang for the buck/sweet spot to buy-- and any specific
Valentine One! $399.00 Top rated.
Buying a cheap radar detector makes as much sense as buying a smoke
detector that "usually" works well but is guaranteed to work once the
house is actually burning well.
Get a Valentine One.
Drive with traffic in the right lane.
Don't swerve in and out of traffic.
A radar detector by itself is meaningless. A radar detector against
lidar is meaningless.
A radar detector against radar, coupled with intelligent driving, will
keep you safe.
actually, it's "prima facie speed limit" - that means prevailing speed.
here's where you, and brian and jeff are failing in your efforts: you
should stick to challenging the idea - instead, all y'all do is
challenge the person. unless y'all are trolls looking to simply provoke
personal disagreement, stick to just challenging the idea - that way
people won't wait for you in a dark alley with a crowbar looking to get
personal back. try it - y'all may be surprised at the result. getting
facts straight in the first place helps too.
Actually, the "prima facie speed limit" is the POSTED limit. Do a
Google search and you'll find a ton of legal references to the concept.
The traffic engineers do their studies and establish a "reasonable"
prima facie speed which is adopted and becomes the legal limit for a
the stumbling block for this debate seems to be not understanding what
"prima facie" means. in english, "on the face of it" or "on first
appearance" would be working translations.
if you're trying to make a legal case, something may have prima facie
merit to proceed, but those initial facts will be tested in the court.
"prima facie" does /NOT/ mean the case is done and dusted.
same applies to speed enforcement. there is a prima facie limit of 65
on many freeways in california. but the speed limit enforced by the
highway patrol is about 80. and that depends on the weather. bad
weather, they'll enforce 65, or lower. no such thing as black and white.
Until you begin to deal with legal concepts - such as speed limits and
the setting and application thereof. Then it becomes a matter of custom
and usage and what the courts say it is.
Prevailing is prevailing; prima facie limit is the posted limit.
You can take the words out of context and make them say what you wish but...
Apples and oranges, Jim. If the maximum permissible speed, by statute,
in California is 65 m/h (and I don't know that it is) then that is the
speed limit. If, for whatever reason, the CHP doesn't write a ticket
until you exceed 80 m/h that does not change the prima facie speed limit.
As for enforcement of speeds LESS than the posted limit due to
conditions? Gimme a break. How many times have you seen or heard of
that happening absent a traffic crash? In such a case, assuming the
driver said "Officer, I don't know what happened. I was driving along
at about 50 m/h in this 65 m/h zone and I suddenly lost control" I
challenge you to find even one example where the driver was charged with
driving 50 m/h in a 65 m/h zone. You can find, I'm sure, numerous "Too
Fast for Conditions" (with no specific speed alleged) or "Failure to
Reduce Speed to Avoid Crash"
One other point with prima facie... you mention that it provides a basis
to proceed. Well, that's true and that basis is always subject to
rebuttal. Not unlike the 0.08% blood alcohol being DUI. That's an
absolute. If you are at or above that level, you're drunk. Period. In
the range of 0.06 - 0.079 a prima facie case of DUI can be made but the
defendant can rebut that presumption.
Speeding violations are known as "absolute liability" offenses. The
only element of the offense is exceeding the speed limit. You don't
have to know you were speeding, you don't have to WANT to speed, etc.
Do 51 in a 50 and you're guilty. End of story.
I say we debate the PRACTICAL and not the Idealist position here.
Fact is,the police only enforce some arbitrary speed well ABOVE the posted
SL(+5 or +10),and you have NO way of knowing what that might be at any
given time. Often,it depends on the demeanor *at the time* of the
Ever since the 55 NMSL,it's been clearly apparent that the *majority* of
drivers do NOT obey posted limits,unless there's police actually present or
known speed traps.
Thus there's a "prevailing speed" (or "true average speed")of the traffic
actually present on the roadway.
I-4 in Orlando,everybody knows the usual speed is 70-75 mph for a 55 mph
posted limit. and that's IN TOWN,dense traffic!
and the hazardous effect from LLBs and rolling roadblocks(RRB?) is clearly
It's 80 or higher outside of the urban areas.
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