Still having problems with your math, I see. Three tenths of one percent would be 49,500 vehicles. That's a far cry from the "distant fourth" that you claimed. Why do you need to skew the facts to try and make your point ?
No need to do that, simply use the figures reported by the Commerce Department of the total sales in 2005. ;)
No mater how some like to spin it, no Japanese company outsold any domestic company.
mike hunt
Mike, I doubt if you have ever taken a course in college statistics. Even if you are 100% right, it means nothing in relation to what is referred to as the bottom line e.g. (profit vs loss). GM (according to the news media) may go bankrupt in the near future. Honda and Toyata are not having any problems related to the bottom line. Their profits are in the black. GM's profits are in the red. Also--what's the total number of models made by GM? What's the total number of models made by Honda?
Uh Mike. . .Toyota and Honda are clearly a distant fourth and fifth to GM. You printed the numbers yourself. GM had 26.8% , while Toyota and Honda had 13.7% and 8.9% respectively. I'd certainly call that a distant fourth and fifth! Neither English nor Math must be your forte' or you'd know that Toyota and Honda should be compared to the leader, not the 3rd place manufacturer.
No matter how you spin it, you're a bald-faced liar, "Mike".
Nice snip. I'll include the entire post so you may improve your reading comprehension. You're not related to Mike Hunter by chance, are you ? If you compare it your way *everyone* is distant from GM. Why not say GM is first and everyone else is a distant 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc....... The figures show Chrysler and Toyota almost tied.
I think you had some problems with your math.
GM = 26.8 %
Ford = 17.9 %
Chrysler= 14 %
Toyota = 13.7 %
Honda = 8.9 %
You stated above " Toyota and Honda a distant fourth and fifth. " Honda may be a distant fifth but Toyota is almost even with Chrysler, unless you consider 3 tenths of one percent * distant*.
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Gee Mike, you really are thick, aren't you? I thought you were merely feigning naievety. Here in North America, everyone strives to be 1st in everything we do. Whether it be hockey, baseball, soccer, basketball, auto racing and yes, even auto sales. If we happen not to place first, we then compare our position to the 1st place team. Not the 3rd! But hey, maybe you use different parameters when you consistently place 4th or 5th. Maybe then you find solace in comparing yourself to 3rd place!
To put it another way that you might understand Mike, "GM is first and everyone else is a distant 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc....... ". *guffaw*
*chuckle* *snort*
Here is my source. Where is yours?
Gee, and I previously posted:
a difference of about 44,500 vehicles. Isn't it funny how we are so close on our figures and Mike Hunt is so far off.
I see english isn't you're native language, sorry about that.
Low quality low-priced cars.
I used to own a Cavalier.
Might be a good commuter car for the wife, but in the long run it proved to be a piece of junk.
Same can be said of my '95 'Tour
my '86 Renault 5 was more reliable :)
(...)
Total profit = profit per car X volume. If a company is losing money on each car it sells, it will lose even more if it sells more vehicles.
Your statement doesn't make sense.
Jeff
What did you expect from one of the loonies that want to see so many American worker loose their jobs? Especially the loonies that think the vehicles buy are better, yet millions more Americans buy the GM vehicles they obviously believe are better. Every buyer is free to spend their money wherever they choose and far more Americans choose GM, Ford and Chrysler over any import.
mike hunt
You got 'em Mike. And that's why GM and Ford and DC are on easy street and Rick Wagoner sleeps like a baby each night.
Oh wait, they are supposed to be in the business of making money, not just pushing iron out the door with little or no profit (because they need to bribe their customers so much to buy almost anything they make). Ah, a minor point.
Nevertheless, as you rightly point out, for argument sake the only thing that really matters is just total vehicle sales numbers which clearly define which are the best brands and vehicles.
No it is total vehicle sales numbers clearly defines which vehicles the most numbers of BUYER believe are the best brands and the best vehicles on which to spend their hard earned money. Most buyers could not car less if the dealer or the manufacture is making a profit. Only the Toyota and other import brand buyer, that are willing to spend 20% or 30% more to buy an average vehicle, who want to insure the dealer or the manufacture is making a profit. The same folks that spend their days in the NG trying to convince others to be stupid enough to get screwed like they did LOL
mike hunt
What? I have no idea where you're getting that 'information' from. 20-30% more? Are you making this stuff up as you go along?
mike, Be honest, what are the three best selling cars in America? The Toyota Camry or the Honda Accord is usually number 1--almost every year. The reason that GM cars sell so well in America is because of their low prices and special discounts. Jason
Reality and truth have never stopped Mikey from pursuit of his goal of defending domestics at any cost.
Do you really believe that people here believe your lies? What illegal substance are you smoking? The only people that get screwed are people who buy Fords and GMs.
You are truly a close-minded elitist and bigot who has bone to pick with the Japanese and are too indolent to face the facts.
Apparently, as a personal penis pinata by GM and Ford executives, you spend your days in newsgroups trying to convince people deluded enough to buy the same piece of garbages that you do. As the saying goes, misery loves company.
He has been saying that kind of thing for ages. Not long ago I used carsdirect.com (a good reference for real transaction prices) to compare a Saturn minivan against a similarly equipped Toyota. The Toyota was a little cheaper.
Mikey just makes up that 20%-30% line.
Now if you are talking about used cars, then he has a point. The mucher more rapid depreciation of most GM/Ford/Chrysler branded automobiles compared to Toyotas and Honda does indeed result in a 20%-30% price premium for the late model used car buyer.
John
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