clutch chatter/rattle noise

here's the full history. 5 years ago my dad and i rebuilt the sr-4 tranny (stuck in 3rd gear) in my 80, cj7. it crapped out within a couple months, (stuck in 3rd gear again) and it sat since then. so i dropped the sr-4 and picked up a t-4. rebuilt the t-4, new bearings and seals, etc.. stabbed the tranny back in, bellhousing never removed. pretty sure i replaced the clutch 5 years ago, but i've slept since then. now to the noise. if sitting idle in neutral (while tinkering around) the noise never occurs. a soon as i press in the clutch i hear a chattering/rattling noise in gear or out. as soon as i disengage the clutch the noise stops. i checked the linkage and it's not loose. i'm going over to work on it tommorow and will check if linkage is to spec. what could be rattling around? my little helper put it back in gear when i wasn't looking, so i've started it in gear and it lunged. (good thing something told me to chock the tires :) ) so i'd say the clutch is grabbing pretty good... any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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jpurl77
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Sounds like a issue with throwout bearing being bad or improperly installed. The bad part is you have to pull tranny to inspec/repair it. When you changed trannies to you confirm that there was no difference in throwout bear design or needs?

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SnoMan

My guess is the grease has dried out in the throw out bearing. No fixing it short of talking the tranny out.

I would try it for a bit to see if it loosens up before ripping it apart.

What I want to know is how in heck can you take a tranny off without taking off the bell housing?????

Mike

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Mike Romain

Best guess is the throwout bearing. Dried grease, etc. Next guess - because it sat so long - would be rust on the face of the throwout or the clutch fingers. I've seen rust there act like a coating that squeals forever. That squeal should only happen as you engage/release but go away as you increase the pressure. Either way, you'll likely cure it with a new throwout - but you still have to pull the tranny.

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Will Honea

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L.W. (Bill) Hughes III

The rattle is your two little brain cells banging together, a bunch of empty space between those ears.

Recipe for a Psychopath:

Emotional & Interpersonal Glib & Superficial Egocentric & Grandiose Lack of Remorse or Guilt Lack of Empathy Deceitful & Manipulative Shallow Emotions Social Deviance Impulsive Poor Behavior Controls Need for Excitement Lack of Responsibility Early Behavior Problems Adult Antisocial Behavior

This is your life,

L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III

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24Bit®

A -> which you're a habitual lair,

B -> so these plus your other accusations would be thrown out of court.

You have to prove A to get B, which you can't do.

Claiming the Bart Simpson defense, I see. Good choice.

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Claude Horribly

Aha hell Goatman, don't worry about things being thrown out of court, you'll be long DEAD before the system catches up with ya!

Recipe for a Psychopath:

Emotional & Interpersonal Glib & Superficial Egocentric & Grandiose Lack of Remorse or Guilt Lack of Empathy Deceitful & Manipulative Shallow Emotions Social Deviance Impulsive Poor Behavior Controls Need for Excitement Lack of Responsibility Early Behavior Problems Adult Antisocial Behavior

This is your life,

L.W. "Cooyon Billy" Goatman-Hughes III

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24Bit®

Just more grades you missed.

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Claude Horribly

William Blake

William Blake was born in London on November 28, 1757, to James, a hosier, and Catherine Blake. Two of his six siblings died in infancy. From early childhood, Blake spoke of having visions--at four he saw God 'put his head to the window'; around age nine, while walking through the countryside, he saw a tree filled with angels. Although his parents tried to discourage him from "lying," they did observe that he was different from his peers and did not force him to attend conventional school. He learned to read and write at home. At age ten, Blake expressed a wish to become a painter, so his parents sent him to drawing school. Two years later, Blake began writing poetry. When he turned fourteen, he apprenticed with an engraver because art school proved too costly. One of Blake's assignments as apprentice was to sketch the tombs at Westminster Abbey, exposing him to a variety of Gothic styles from which he would draw inspiration throughout his career. After his seven-year term ended, he studied briefly at the Royal Academy.

In 1782, he married an illiterate woman named Catherine Boucher. Blake taught her to read and to write, and also instructed her in draftsmanship. Later, she helped him print the illuminated poetry for which he is remembered today; the couple had no children. In 1784 he set up a printshop with a friend and former fellow apprentice, James Parker, but this venture failed after several years. For the remainder of his life, Blake made a meager living as an engraver and illustrator for books and magazines. In addition to his wife, Blake also began training his younger brother Robert in drawing, painting, and engraving. Robert fell ill during the winter of 1787 and succumbed, probably to consumption. As Robert died, Blake saw his brother's spirit rise up through the ceiling, "clapping its hands for joy." He believed that Robert's spirit continued to visit him and later claimed that in a dream Robert taught him the printing method that he used in Songs of Innocence and other "illuminated" works.

Blake's first printed work, Poetical Sketches (1783), is a collection of apprentice verse, mostly imitating classical models. The poems protest against war, tyranny, and King George III's treatment of the American colonies. He published his most popular collection, Songs of Innocence, in

1789 and followed it, in 1794, with Songs of Experience. Some readers interpret Songs of Innocence in a straightforward fashion, considering it primarily a children's book, but others have found hints at parody or critique in its seemingly naive and simple lyrics. Both books of Songs were printed in an illustrated format reminiscent of illuminated manuscripts. The text and illustrations were printed from copper plates, and each picture was finished by hand in watercolors.

Blake was a nonconformist who associated with some of the leading radical thinkers of his day, such as Thomas Paine and Mary Wollstonecraft. In defiance of 18th-century neoclassical conventions, he privileged imagination over reason in the creation of both his poetry and images, asserting that ideal forms should be constructed not from observations of nature but from inner visions. He declared in one poem, "I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's." Works such as "The French Revolution" (1791), "America, a Prophecy" (1793), "Visions of the Daughters of Albion" (1793), and "Europe, a Prophecy" (1794) express his opposition to the English monarchy, and to 18th-century political and social tyranny in general. Theological tyranny is the subject of The Book of Urizen (1794). In the prose work The Marriage of Heaven and Hell (1790-93), he satirized oppressive authority in church and state, as well as the works of Emanuel Swedenborg, a Swedish philosopher whose ideas once attracted his interest.

In 1800 Blake moved to the seacoast town of Felpham, where he lived and worked until 1803 under the patronage of William Hayley. He taught himself Greek, Latin, Hebrew, and Italian, so that he could read classical works in their original language. In Felpham he experienced profound spiritual insights that prepared him for his mature work, the great visionary epics written and etched between about 1804 and 1820. Milton (1804-08), Vala, or The Four Zoas (1797; rewritten after 1800), and Jerusalem (1804-20) have neither traditional plot, characters, rhyme, nor meter. They envision a new and higher kind of innocence, the human spirit triumphant over reason.

Blake believed that his poetry could be read and understood by common people, but he was determined not to sacrifice his vision in order to become popular. In 1808 he exhibited some of his watercolors at the Royal Academy, and in May of 1809 he exhibited his works at his brother James's house. Some of those who saw the exhibit praised Blake's artistry, but others thought the paintings "hideous" and more than a few called him insane. Blake's poetry was not well known by the general public, but he was mentioned in A Biographical Dictionary of the Living Authors of Great Britain and Ireland, published in 1816. Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who had been lent a copy of Songs of Innocence and of Experience, considered Blake a "man of Genius," and Wordsworth made his own copies of several songs. Charles Lamb sent a copy of "The Chimney Sweeper" from Songs of Innocence to James Montgomery for his Chimney-Sweeper's Friend, and Climbing Boys' Album (1824), and Robert Southey (who, like Wordsworth, considered Blake insane) attended Blake's exhibition and included the "Mad Song" from Poetical Sketches in his miscellany, The Doctor (1834-1837).

Blake's final years, spent in great poverty, were cheered by the admiring friendship of a group of younger artists who called themselves "the Ancients." In 1818 he met John Linnell, a young artist who helped him financially and also helped to create new interest in his work. It was Linnell who, in 1825, commissioned him to design illustrations for Dante's Divine Comedy, the cycle of drawings that Blake worked on until his death in 1827.

A Selected Bibliography

Poetry

All Religions Are One (1788) America, a Prophecy (1793) Europe, a Prophecy (1794) For Children: The Gates of Paradise (1793) For the Sexes: The Gates of Paradise (1820) Poetical Sketches (1783) Songs of Experience (1794) Songs of Innocence (1789) The Book of Ahania (1795) The Book of Los (1795) The First Book of Urizen (1794) The Marriage of Heaven and Hell (1790) The Song of Los (1795) There Is No Natural Religion (1788)

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N. (Nancy) Huge IIIII

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jpurl77

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DougW

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