Noisy Engine When Under Load

Apr 29, 2004 7 Replies

Hello,



I have a 98 TJ with the 4.0L engine, with 45,000 miles on it. Just recently, I'd say, within the past 6 months or so, I started to develop a noise in my engine. It doesn't happen when at idle, or at least, I can't hear it. It only happens when the engine is under load. If I "lug" the engine, this sound is *VERY* apparent. When I first began to hear it, it was fairly quiet. I had to strain to hear it. (it was on the highway in a soft-top :) but over time, it's gotten much louder.



It doesn't happen when the engine is cold. I can drive for about a half-mile or so, and it will have that great 4.0L purr. but then after the first half-mile or so, it will begin to make this sound.



I have heard 'pinging' and 'detonation', but really have never had good examples of what they sound like. (even searched on the net for .wav files or something) couldn't find anything.



I thought I had a possible cracked exhaust manifold, since I've heard these are fairly typical on my model TJ, but I took it off and inspected it and everything looks good.



I've searched around on the newsgroup here, and I'm starting to think that I've got a ping or detonation, but I don't know exactly what those are, and what one would do to fix them.. I'd really like to get to the bottom of it.



Thanks in advance to anybody that can help. It's great that there are so many friendly and 'eager-to-help a newbie' Jeepers out there.


-Dave


If you truly have pinging or detonation going on, the simplest thing to try is switching gasoline. Try a higher octane rating or even a different brand to see if it goes away. Outside of that, it could be anything from the valves needing adjustment, timing correction, or just a plain tune-up needed. Pinging is typically heard under load and more so in warmer weather. Pinging has a definite "clattering" sound.

Regards,

GK

It's a long shot, but my catalytic converter, when it first started it's death rattle, sounded enough like low-end noise (like when you lug the engine bad) to scare the bejeezus out of me.

-jeff

I tried running the higher octane fuel for one tankful, but got no results. I should have said that in the original post. Could it take a few tankfuls? Are those off-the-shelf "octane-booster" additives useful in this situation?

Also, I just read a couple articles on here about using a full can of carb-cleaner down the throttle body to rid the engine of carbon.. Is this a good idea?

It is not carb cleaner!!!

Carb cleaner will damage a TB unit, they make throttle body cleaners. if you check, you will find some that are designed to clean the TB and upper cylinder areas. You follow the directions and use the whole can.

A pint of ATF poured slowly down the throat of the TB while keeping it running with your hand on the throttle does the same job. That is also the directions for the can of cleaner. ATF makes a 'lot' of white smoke, but works excellently.

Lots of folks say a pint of water poured down the same way will also clean it good. That makes sense, if water leaks into a cylinder, the plug comes out clean like new.

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dave McGlynn wrote:

I have tried the water method. I used a spray bottle and shot about about a pint in it. after the last bit I idled the motor for about 30 sec. to a minute shut it down and let it sit for a minute. Started it up and gave it a good rev. Boy it belched out a carbon soot cloud and ran better after that. I like the cat. convert. idea too. I have heard the initial rattle of the unit failing. It was on a Dodge Dakota though, but still DC.

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