Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??

Yep. I do that with my XJ. And as a bonus, I pull out the starter fuse which is almost right next to the ABS fuse when I'm parking it for a long time (i.e at the airport). Poor man's "sentry key".

:-)

Yea read that the other day. Thinking about putting in the circuitry to kill the ABS when I put her into 4LOW.

On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:

That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the snow.

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On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:

If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?

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On or about 7 Dec 2003, Del Rawlins of del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers....:

Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes locked.

Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.

I'm not ordering from an internet dealer, however I did check out the prices at Edmunds.com and another dealer that is internet to compare what type of deal I was getting. Mind you, when I purchased my XJ in 96 up in NJ NO Jeep dealer gave "deals" - what was on the sticker is what they sold them at minus any mfr incentives. I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that they "deal" down here in Houston.

I went to Jeep.com and built a jeep to my liking. You can then send the Jeep you built to some local dealers. I sent it to about 5 (4 local, 1 40 miles away which is actually closer timewise because Houston traffic sucks). They emailed me back their prices. Well, a few of them did. Most of them said "we don't have the White that you're looking for and totally disregarded the fact that I went thru the trouble of stating White, Dual Top, and ABS and told me to look at their inventory which they probably don't realize is accessible from the Jeep website.

One thing I've learned is that some of these sales people absolutely don't know how to read email and don't care what the customer wants and just try and get you into the dealership and give you high pressure tatics. I stayed away from those guys.

The place I ended up ordering from was a local dealer that responded to my emails. I dealt with a "Fleet" salesman - at this dealership they also handle Internet sales/inquiries. Absolutely the most unpushiest, honest, and friendliest guys I've done business with in terms of car sales so far. He gave me the best (lowest) deal over email (including 3 free oil changes). He also ensured me that I wouldn't lose the rebate and that if the price were to change for the worse I was in no way obligated to buy [since we have a signed contract for a certain price].

-R

Normally a rebate is for taking a vehicle from dealer's stock. The factory goes to a lot of effort deciding what features you want, and they build shit loads of vehicles configured that way, whether that is wht way you want or not. If yo buy one of the units that the vacoty has configured for you, they give the rebate. If the factory has to crank one out just for you specifically, they do not give the rebate.

You need to order from dealer stock to get the rebate. If you can find a dual top with ABS on a lot somewhere, then you should be able to get the rebate. Honestly, I don't see that you order is all that wierd, unless there are other options that you haven't told us about.

I had the same experience with stupid dealers who wouldn't use email. I simply gave up and went to the closest dealership. My requirements were fairly simple and apparently something Chrysler builds a lot of. I wanted either a Sahara in Sienna or a Sport in Inca Gold. Either way I wanted dual top and the D44.

The salesman didn't know a thing about Jeeps. I went to poke at one in the lot and test drive it. He started to explain all about how 4wd worked in a Jeep. Unfortunately he was talking about quadratrack. In about a minute he realized his mistake when he looked at the transfer case lever. Then he shut up, and handed over the keys saying "You probably know more about this vehicle than I do."

I just missed the deadline to order an '03 by 2 weeks. The dealer didn't have either color but found one Sienna Sahara in northern NJ with the appropriate accessories. I gave them a $500 deposite and they had it ready for me 4 days later. It probably would have been sooner if a weekend wasn't in the middle.

I paid just under $2000 less than what edmunds.com lists as the > Hey, I did the same thing. When I sent out the quote requests I was

I'm in houston and I can't find anything with ABS (even used) around here. Being rear-end capital of the world, you'd think everything would have ABS. Also, almost none of the Jeeps on anyone's lot has a hard/dual top. I guess people associate hard tops with keeping out the cold or something. Cold is a relative term, however. I'm from New Jersey and have spent a fair amount of time in the midwest. -70 wind chill is cold. I'll probably have my soft top on most of the time since it never really gets cold enough (for me) to not have the windows down.

Trust me - if i found something with ABS and soft top, i'd have driven it off someones lot a few days ago.. I even considered looking in dallas (they get snow like once every 2 years) thinking I might be able to buy something with ABS.

Dealer will honor the rebate and increase it if it increases upon delivery.

..and "weird" to this NG is a XJ without a dana 44! :-)

ooo! one guy kept on calling it a "Sports" instead of "Sport". I looked at my buddy and said "this isn't Huey Lewis and the News, man."

He even tried to call the service department to see how much it woudl cost to add ABS. Before I left he had to introduce me to his Mgr (probably because I didnt' bite) and his manager told him in a very condescending way that ABS is a factory option and that he has to ask some guy to see if he can locate the Jeep I want.

Stupid salesman never called me back, thank god.

Yesterday one of the salesmen called me back (finally) and tried to sell me a Rubicon because it was the color I wanted (white) and insisted that it has ABS "because they're disc brakes". Jacka$$es.

You'd th I'm not ordering from an internet dealer, however I did check out the prices at Edmunds.com and another dealer that is internet to compare what type of deal I was getting. Mind you, when I purchased my XJ in 96 up in NJ NO Jeep dealer gave "deals" - what was on the sticker is what they sold them at minus any mfr incentives. I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that they "deal" down here in Houston.

I went to Jeep.com and built a jeep to my liking. You can then send the Jeep you built to some local dealers. I sent it to about 5 (4 local, 1 40 miles away which is actually closer timewise because Houston traffic sucks). They emailed me back their prices. Well, a few of them did. Most of them said "we don't have the White that you're looking for and totally disregarded the fact that I went thru the trouble of stating White, Dual Top, and ABS and told me to look at their inventory which they probably don't realize is accessible from the Jeep website.

One thing I've learned is that some of these sales people absolutely don't know how to read email and don't care what the customer wants and just try and get you into the dealership and give you high pressure tatics. I stayed away from those guys.

The place I ended up ordering from was a local dealer that responded to my emails. I dealt with a "Fleet" salesman - at this dealership they also handle Internet sales/inquiries. Absolutely the most unpushiest, honest, and friendliest guys I've done business with in terms of car sales so far. He gave me the best (lowest) deal over email (including 3 free oil changes). He also ensured me that I wouldn't lose the rebate and that if the price were to change for the worse I was in no way obligated to buy [since we have a signed contract for a certain price].

-R

On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:

No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.

If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?

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from the jeep site when you click the incentives image button:

"See dealer for qualifications and eligibility."

"Now thru January, 2nd 2004"

Sound like to me what the dealer says is what the deal is.

Now granted, you can get $2k back for the 2003 which only exist on the lot but I'm sure the second I said that I wanted to order a 2003 they'd say DC isn't taking orders for 03's.

I've heard on teh radio and tv sometimes a commercial will explicitly say "must take delivery from dealer stock".

I saw my dealer and he said I'd get this or a better rebate. If DC ends up pulling the rebate, I still have a signed contract for a price.

I guess we'll find out soon enough..

-R

I would think it should be the other way around if you are in the rear-end capital.

ABS actually lengthens the stopping distance quite a bit. It sacrifices stopping time to give steering control. Problem is in traffic there is usually no place to steer to.....

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Valued User wrote:

Yup, they are just another 'failed' attempt to compensate for lack of driver training.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:

I live just outside of San Diego, and most of the TJs sold here have the Dual Top option. I should say that differently, when I have been to my local stealership for some kind of unique parts, and have walked the lot while waiting, most of the TJs that I see have the Dual Top option.

You will not find any ABS units with a D44 axle, and you can not order ABS with a D44. So, if the D44 is part of the option package you are looking for, give up on the ABS because you will not get it. The D44 is a much more valuable optin than the ABS, so do not insist on ABS if you are thinking of the D44. Take the D44 without the ABS, and never look back.

I don't see how ABS is going to help you if somebody runs into the back of your Jeep. ABS might, and I stress MIGHT, help you avoid running into somebody that is stopped in front of you, but only because you can still steer while you are panicing. If you can manage to control the panic, then you can still steer and perhaps miss the guy in front. My ABS in the Wife's minivan caused my stopping distance to become so damn long that it actually caused a rear end accident. I'll have to admit that crash avoidance that particular day just wasn't in the cards, so the entire blame is not on the brakes. but, if I didn't have ABS, then I would have had four tires that were actually working to slow me down. With the ABS system on the minivan, the rear brakes took a bye at the absolute worst possible moment. All I could do was sit and watch as the metal folded.

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