Who was it that said I didn't need lockers...?

Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:39:07 -0500, aGraham shared the following:

-- Travis

If you think a locker would have got you out, you need to learn the brake pedal method!

If you bang the brake pedal down when one wheel is turning, the brake will stop that wheel and transfer the torque to the other side.

This trick works great and is as old as the model T.....

Mike

travis wrote:

You'll still need snatch straps and tow hooks, front and rear. The winch is not always the best answer, or the most convenient. On those downhills, use engine braking whenever you can: 4wd Low and 1st gear. Using the vehicle brakes by themselves is begging for a rollover. Don't go wheeling alone (by "alone" I mean with just your CJ.) It's best to have a couple of other vehicles with you. If you had rolled on that hill and both been injured, you would probably still be there. Tell the lunch ladies that it's not mud, you had a scary ride! LOL Lose the rope with the hooks. They have been known to be lethal!

TRAVIS IS HARD CORE.

hail yes.

-- bob z.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things everyday"©

Flying down the hill is a very bad plan, and one that should be avoided at all costs. Well, not all costs, but most of them. You should let off the brakes, but leave the clutch alone.

My brother's wife's brother (my sister in law's brother) did what you did, he pressed the clutch in and coasted down the hill, then he dumped the clutch while the CJ was careening down the hill. The result was a broken clutch and he had to drive home without benefit of his clutch.

You NEVER want to loose control while offroading, the results can be deadly to you, or (even worse) innocent bystanders.

NEVER EVER roll backwards down on a dead engine a hill because the brakes are not going to help you very much. What you should do instead is to shift into R (while the vehicle is standing and the engine is stalled), then start IN GEAR, or drive down on the starter motor hoping the engine doesn't fire. If the engine fires, GENTLY use the brakes but do not depress the clutch until you get out of trouble. It is better to stall the motor again because you are using the brakes in over-time mode than to depress the clutch and have the front brakes lock and take away your ability to steer. If you have to, bring the vehicle to a stop, and shift into LO range, then restart the motor in R, or continue on the starter motor with the trans in R.

then almost made it back out when I hit a

You need a winch more than lockers :-) Talk to Joshua about what sort of winch capacity you should be considering. Those lockers will not prevent you from getting stuck, that's STUCK, they will only make you get stuck worse, that's STUCK WORSE.

: >> while hooking up a rope. : >

: >Yeah I have seen that in your pictures(

very crafty plan to get the wifie to agree to it :-)

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:48:36 -0500, Mike Romain shared the following:

I tried that tirck. I tried lightly applying pressure the the brakes, I tried slamming the brake a few times, tried the emergency brake to load the back wheel that was spinning , tried rocking back and forth, tried turning the wheel from side to side to get traction on the front tire that was slipping, tried pushing it, pulling it, having my friend jump up and down on the back of the Jeep above the spinning tire (and he weighs close to 300 pounds), tried prying one side up with a long metal tube we found, tried jamming a huge tree branch under each of the back wheels, tried praying to God, tried cussing...a LOT... It was STUCK-DIDDLY-UCK, dude. I think lockers would have helped but I'm not positive I would have gotten out even with them.

-- Travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:11:33 -0800, "CRWLR" shared the following:

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It was a semi-panic thing. The hill wasn't very big, though, so we only "flew" down it for about 7-8 feet before the front tires reached bottom.

Ouch.

I sure don't. Believe me, there were no bystanders in this case. :-)

-- Travis

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:48 GMT, "Dave Milne" shared the following:

I though so, too. ;-)

-- Travis

If the pedal hit didn't transfer power, you need to check the back brakes for adjustment and shoe wear.

Mike

travis wrote:

That's right. So is the had throttle... :-) Actually, the T was a pretty awesome vehicle. Considering its low power and

Make that 'hand throttle'. I don't have a cold... :-) Jim

Jim,

I don't understand this advice. It seems to me that the physics of the jeep and whether it is going to roll over or not has to do with the weight of the rig, speed, and angle of the slope. It shouldn't really matter one way or the other what type of mechanism is slowing the tires down.

There was/is also available a 4-wheel drive conversion kit for the Model T as well..

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It matters alot. The recovery of sliding is not the application of more brakes, it is the application of more gas. If you are rolling along using the brakes as the sole means of controlling speed, then you are asking for trouble. The best way to control speed is to use the correct gear, and gentle applications of the brakes and gas, depending upon what is happening and the surface you are driving on.

If you rely upon the brakes alone to regulate your speed, then the vehicle can quickly attain an uncontrollable attitude that can result in excess speed, and severe angles of slope.

TJim said that LO range, 1st gear is best, but this is not always true. Sometimes LO and 2nd is better. It really depends on many factors. His point is that the best thing is the drive train should be taking the load, not the braking system.