Anyone know owt about this...

Feb 01, 2008 47 Replies
101 Crash on Sailsbury plain. Clearly an accident waiting to happen and proof if any were needed that just because someone owns a off road capable vehicle it doesn't mean they know how to drive it.

I hope the driver and passengers were OK.



Also interesting to see the AA sent an Ambulance of there own... though how it flies with rotas that slow is a mystery ;-)



If anyone is reading this and thinking they need some tuition don't let this put you off. We had a cracking day during our first off road session of which the main hour or so at the start was to make sure everyone knew the basics and that further instruction was provided on route. Cannock Chase - not cheap but worth every penny if it saves incidents such as these.



My guess is the occupants were probably injured by internal clutter if the egress from the back doors is owt to go by.



Lee D Lee D



Strewth, can't believe how easily it rolled, very top heavy I guess. Doesn't look to have been in low 1st on that descent, a bit of gentle acceleration and they would have been fine.

As you say Lee, get some basic training in.

Oof, nasty, precisely why I always start my obstacles at the bottom!! I saw a similar vid of a Unimog driving down a steep slope, one front wheel drops into a hole then the rear of the truck comes up and the truck somersalts. So bloody easy to happen going down slopes.

Ditto, and the 101 too..

On a similar but even dafter note;

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They appear to be OK despite how bad it looks!

I'm supposed to be working!

Another one, a pinz this time..

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The 4x4 ones can be a bit tricky, very very light at the rear, tipovers can be quite easy.

Didn't do the Rangie much good though. :-)

At least Bill only got the vehicular AA out :-)

Hi Bill! ;-)

I think I might want a Pinz to replace 2 ageing and increasingly unreliable Range Rovers! Not sure what SWMBO will say about it tho' as she has offered to fund the replacement as an incentive to dump the Range Rovers

Richard

Was expecting dog paté any minute!

youre a bit slow - i found that months ago! (see steves link).

Notice that in the related links list there might be a 101 driving down a familiar looking road!

could have sent this ambi instead..

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but he manages to roll it..

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Well, some crappy vid of mine is up on yewchewb now, plus some of an AWDC trial I turned up to. I didn't do the trial as I was suffering from the effects of the demon drink, a long drive in the pinz and the wallet shock that is associated with it but there's some after-event mild off-roading in there.

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Must get something better shot of it.

As for a pinz, you're looking at over £10,000 for a decent one these days.. I got lucky, and even at the knock-down price I got it for, it hurt. Just couldn't turn down such a bargain.

They are bloody nice vehicles though it has to be said.

I had my fingers crossed.. I've put some vid up on youtube in which an effing dog barks throughout part of it, partway through you hear it bark then yelp as it gets a clout.

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.. or maybe just not braking ... and steering into the skid.

Mind, 's easy after the fact ... ;)

On or around Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:39:06 -0000, "Lee_D" enlightened us thusly:

FFS. give someone a video camera and they film 2½ minutes of stationary helicopter.

As for the crash, I know what he did wrong, I reckon - too low a gear and not enough reading of the slipperiness of the terrain. Did the same in snow with the sIII, although with less spectacular results, I have to admit - just got stuck half-off the edge of the road and had to get a BFO tractor to pull it back.

sometimes, low-1 and feet off isn't the way to go. Judging by the pictures, a faster descent and slow down at the bottom would have worked better.

locked rear wheels will inevtiably try to overtake rolling front ones, there's some physics that explains that...

does the 101 have a centre difflock? and if so, bets on whether it was engaged or not? It could have been, the back end can still unstick, unless you have a rear difflock as well, you get the one wheel in reverse syndrome.

centre diff and rear diff locked should in theory keep both back wheels running forwards at the same speed as the front ones.

Also, the 101 ambi-camper with a roll cage (although I bet he was glad of that) is top-heavy.

On or around Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:39:19 +0000, Steve Taylor enlightened us thusly:

reading that, I stick by what I said in my first reply. Too slow, and then made it worse by trying to correct it, rather than accelerating.

Anyone who's tried to correct a snaking trailer by steering will tell you that you can't do it :-) not saying that it's impossible, but to correct that (in the video) you'd need to be anticipating the slide each way before it happens...

in the given circumstances, higher gear and a dab of throttle would have been the way to go.

Remember being instructed about going down a (probably about 50 degree) bank on an off-road course in the 110. Got to the brink of it, and the bloke giving instructions said "low gear, don't brake, don't touch the clutch". "Can't, it's an automatic". :-)

Hmm. ISWYM, but I can't for the life of me think of the physics argument !

We have centre diff locks.

"We" don't have locking rear axles, well some of us have Detroits....

Yet I've seen an Ambi (might have a piccie somewhere) at an OUTRAGEOUS angle of roll - almost 45 Deg and still statically stable.

Steve

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