MSA General regulations

Steve Taylor came up with the following;:

On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:58:05 +0000, Steve Taylor scribbled the following nonsense:

no resat periods by law for non commercial... Last year, we covered just 500 miles, but not this year due to what we felt was bad organisation and sevee compromises of safety....

That's crazy. Not by law maybe, but what about by insurers ? Are they going to be happy about this ? How on earth can you be fit to drive without a decent rest ? There is a lot of macho bullshit going on about how "its all for chari-dee" and videos of how sleep deprived some people were, and just how good it was to drive barely awake. I am seriously unhappy about the safety aspects of this. The money raised will be insignificant compared to the cost of a serious RTA involving a sleepy driver of a 4x4. And the organisers give every appearance of having no concern.

Trouble is, with monies received, and the wish to honour the memory of my uncle, I can't back out.

Steve

On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:42:21 +0000, Steve Taylor scribbled the following nonsense:

hence the reason you have a co driver.....To share the driving, but how much sleep can you get between stages when you have to nav between them etc.......

we took part last year for the first time.... we thought about it for this year, but we both so knackered decided our lives were more important...

Our main gripe was 2 am, leaving a stage in 6 inches of snow (Crychan Forest) and no one checking us out. In fact, no check was made until Llandrindod Wells, about 30-40 mins drive later.... not safe IMHO A check should have been on exit to identify any problems. I know of at least 7 other people who are not taking part this year for the same reason.......

Simon Isaacs uttered summat worrerz funny about:

How about an AFL run with Charidy, safety and fun built in?

Given the number of V8's and 101's perhaphs checkpoints could be near to petrol stations ;-)

I got very excited about the thought of joining in but they were fully booked. Perhaps as well looking at it now.

And your doing it in Bob Steve?

Would imagine a Lands end to John O Groates would be sufficient in a 101 taking in several fine brewerys on the route :-)

The way thinks are going we could create a visible moving wall of colour viewable from the moon!

It would have to be after the end of Feb for Tom to get his 101 back on line though.....

Lee

Lee_D wrote: .

Sounds like a much better idea.

Charity begins...at the petrol station.

Take a look at the messages in their forum - just because its "all for charity" isn't going to be any defence if something goes wrong.

Yep, or I was, I am seriously unsure now. Bob was having new tyres and everything.

Steve

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 00:11:03 -0000, "Lee_D" scribbled the following nonsense:

I'm in the process of cobbling some ideas together for 2007, unlikely to be able to happen this year. Have access to several sites in Norfolk and Cambs that will allow us to camp and do sensible driving stuff. MSA insurance isa proving the sticking point at the moment....

Isn't anyone in an ARC Competetive Club? Insurance is easy when it's and "event".

Richard

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:51:37 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd scribbled the following nonsense:

yes, my club is msa affiliated, its just how we pitch it to the MSA for getting the cover, the regs are complex.

Just pitch it as a treasure hunt with one or more RTV's - it would mean scruitneering at the RTV's, but that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Perhaps even as a Tyro if scruitineering is a problem.

Though thinking about it, everyone would have to be an ARC/MSA club member - but then offering a "suck-it-and-see-and-when-you- cancel-yourmembership-it-can-go-in-the-charidy-tin" membership has been done before.

Richard

:-p

Dad saw his garage floor for the first time in 9 months yesterday! - my car now moves!! As soon as i can drive that then i will stop getting earache and can justify continuing on the 101...

No. There are non-competitive clubs (101 Club is non-competitive). It's cheaper to affiliate and TBH, for clubs who do not generally compete, going for the MSA part is a total waste of money.

This implies planning a competitive event?

If this is the case, and involves any degree of pacemaking or timed trial, all general insurance is invalid. Unless there are structured processes, such as qualified Marshals, all conducted under MSA R&R, and all participants are members of MSA affiliated clubs, organisation is going to be a nightmare.

Tom Woods uttered summat worrerz funny about:

Your car moves? How many cars does one bloke want at one time? Last time I looked there were three at your pad plus 101... you're not telling me there are more are you?

Lame excuse!

;-)

Lee

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:02:50 +0000, Mother scribbled the following nonsense:

no part on the public highway is timed or subject to pacemaking. The supplementary regs will tell all!