new rules...

Sometimes it makes one wonder how one survived an erlier age. I recall travelling in my Uncles Hillman Minx, two children sandwiched between two adults in the back, two adults in the front, one with a dog on his lap (not the driver) and no seat belts.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:35:49 +0100, Mother scribbled the following nonsense:

right, I'll leave you to convince her then!!

The right thing to deny me from purchasing a new car seat for my child because their computer does not list my LR? So I have to leave with a car seat which you, as a serving officer could do me for as it is over

If anything Mothercare should be sued for refusing to sell safety gear. I mean, I can buy a pair of safety boots, whoever sells them assumes that I can tie the laces and not trip over them and break my nose, don't they..... Mothercare were not reasonable.

No, with respect Lee, I don't see it being anything like that. Number plates are a standard size, I'd happily order them over the Internet, car seats are not. I went where I could find the largest selection of car seats within a hundred miles looking for advice and help from staff who were trained in fitting of car seats. Because their computer did not list my vehicle as being suitable (read: the manufacturer has not tested-actual fitment is perfect) I was refused the sale of a car seat. The "fully trained" members of staff would not try and fit one for me. And they won't do it for you, either. Unless of course you turn up in a non LR vehicle. We don't have shops with huge ranges of seats near here, so it's not like I can go their competitors.

Long and the short of it is, this legislation will in no way help me transport my child any safer. In fact, it won't make transporting anybodies child safer. It is a waste of time and money which should have been spent researching ways to make existing stone age seats fit vehicles better and restrain children better - that would save lives, and a profitable use of goverment money. But all this legislating has been done in the name of "child safety", so it gets the popular public vote.

Regards

William MacLeod

We've had lots of follow-up comment but no one has mentioned the 'title' of the relevant legislation.

Is it new law - which? .... or just more 'guidance'? The words " look set" seem to suggest that we're not there yet.

On or around Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:33:49 +0100, Dougal enlightened us thusly:

Sorry, don't know any more.

snipped-for-privacy@macleod-group.com uttered summat worrerz funny about:

I actually meant the approach of we can't sell you one because it's not on the computer. I know that wasn't clear but feel much better for clearing it up.

:-)

Lee

On or around Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:59:53 +0100, "Lee_D" enlightened us thusly:

Halfords are like that. I once proposed to buy a larger battery for a car - I knew full well that the battery tray would allow fitment of same, but it wasn't on the computer, so although they would have sold it to me, if I fitted it to that car, they wouldn't guarantee it. Morons.

? My vehicle is used constantly and maintained. The seat wasn't, I see no correlation between what I said and your non-sensical question.

When trying to get my Pinz MOTed, I had a few garages tell me that it wasn't worth their time as they wouldn't be able to find it on the VOSA computers. They didn't even bother to look. I was also told that it's not legal in this country full stop, and this was from someone who, despite me repeatedly saying the name (Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer) and spelling it, insisted on it being called the "Stinger Punch Panther".

I also had trouble getting it transported due to it either not being on transport firms computers or them mis-hearing the name, so I started calling it a Land Rover 110 (it's the same size but about

I eventually got an independent chap to transport it without having to fib, when he arrived he told me it was the second worse load he'd ever carried, the only worse load having been a Land Rover 101FC! Apparently he had to fight the winds and body roll all the way down. When he arrived we waffled on about off-roaders and how daft people are (sound familiar?) for about 30 mins before even unloading the truck.

In general, any services company that has a receptionist will be utterly useless, after calling over 40 transport companies in Dorset, Bristol and Gloucester, they were the worst by far, even after I'd managed to bypass the receptionist. The loners, in general those who you call directly through to the driver, just wanted to know the length and weight. One of them even knew what it was and had a Bowler Tomcat.

Once I'd realised I needed a class 7 MOT, I started talking to a different class of garage. No computer lookups, no "it's not legal" rubbish, just "sounds fun, we do a lot of weird vehicles" and "we've done lots of imports, I've imported a few cars myself" and so on. 12 consumer garages were useless and clueless, but I only phoned 2 commercial garages and both were on the button.

It's like so much modern legislation - those who come up with it live in central London and have no idea that "local" towns/cities can be miles away and then not have everything available. Plus they don't think it through from everyone's perspective. If your crash helmet gets broken/stolen/lost you can't ride home, but if you seat belt becomes defective you can - why is there a difference?

Richard

Actually, Tim was very cosily tucked up in Burrt sleeping off the Pimms. Mrs H was driving around in a cold Disco, cursing, freezing and generally planning divorce...

This Badger anon leet fle a fart, As greet as it had been a thonder-dent, That with the strook he was almoost yblent. and said....

Easy. A party that believes in small government, lower taxes, increased freedom under the law for all, less interference in people's everyday lives and choices, tough on crime, tough on illegal immigration while generous to genuine asylum seekers, backing Britain and British interests above all else, and generally honest and fair within reason - given that one prefers human beings in government rather than robots or squeaky-clean God-botherers.

The trouble with parties like this is, they're always in the past or in the future.

Don't s'pose he mentioned whether or not it was...

... purple?

I don't think that would have slipped his mind!

He covers the Gloucester area, I thought you were oop north?

Will be Sept 2006. It'll walk straight through parliment.

Regards

William MacLeod

Nice. Practical Classics mag spring edition has the Stag in the "Buyers Guide" section and they mention how hard they are to find in decent nick.

One thing I should mention is that the Federation of British Historical Vehicles Clubs has had input into the consultation, and they want a clear position shown regarding older vehicles. The problem you mention is there regarding static belts in old LRs as well, adding booster seats for children in them is simply dangerous for exactly the same reasons you mention.

Regards

Willie MacLeod

And strangely enough Willie, mine's the image of the one featured! Spooky.

That's good news, here's hoping their input hasn't fallen on deaf ears. FWIW, the optional inertia seat belts for the rear of the stag were inertia lap belts only, no shoulder straps, so all they succeeded in doing was smashing skulls against the rear of the front seats and causing abdominal injury. Badger.

This Badger anon leet fle a fart, As greet as it had been a thonder-dent, That with the strook he was almoost yblent. and said....

Also I've spotted a spelling mistake. It's Bliar, as in teller of untruths, teller of untruths, you have a spontaneous combustion in the trouser department.

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:24:36 +0100, Mother scribbled the following nonsense:

or red???