TD5 clutch/flywheel problems...

Hi,

This Friday I have decided to renew my clutch on my 2000 TD5 Defender, 100K miles, because the release bearing had started to make the wellknown 'wear'-noises and the clutch itself was a bit 'weard', especially when engine was cold - the vehicle nearly makes small jumps forward, when trying to realease the clutch softly.

With gearbox withdrawn, and clutch removed, we noticed the outer part (on which the clutch is bolted) of the 2-part flywheel was very loose as if the damper springs was worn - in fact we could by hand turn it about an inch before it was tight - it seems a bit too loose to me, and my spare part dealer told me it should be tight when turned with nearly no 'play'.

Can anyone please tell me, how much I must be able to turn the outer part before I have to renew the complete flywheel?

Kind regards, Ib

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Ib Krause-Kjær
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I'm not a TD5 expert, but it sounds like you have a dual mass flywheel fitted - like many Fords and Vauxhalls. If so then it's knackered and you need a new one. I wonder if LR or an aftermarket supplier offer a retrospective mod to fit a conventional flywheel? Vauxhalls certainly do.

Julian.

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Hi Julian,

Thanks for your reply - it's correct with the dual mass flywheel - just didn't know the right word for it. In fact I was pretty certain that I had to renw the flywheel.

I haven't heard about any mods, only that there was some probs with the early TD5 flywheels, but I don't think that is the problem with mine.

I have ordered the new one, and I hope that will make the drive a bit softer with less backlash in the transmission and eliminate take-off jumping...

Have a nice Sunday.

/Ib

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We can supply a "tradional" flywheel for Td5. It does however require a new clutch too (as in different, but not specialist). The slight snag is that this is oriented towards motor-sport and hence is a little "sharp" when taking up first & second. Somone used to Tdi/V8's would proably not be worried, and might even not notice unless told, but you average Discovery II owner is likely to think it a bit agricultural. It ain't cheap either, around =A3800 or something, but it does include a new clutch.

Richard

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We can supply a "tradional" flywheel for Td5. It does however require a new clutch too (as in different, but not specialist). The slight snag is that this is oriented towards motor-sport and hence is a little "sharp" when taking up first & second. Somone used to Tdi/V8's would proably not be worried, and might even not notice unless told, but you average Discovery II owner is likely to think it a bit agricultural. It ain't cheap either, around £800 or something, but it does include a new clutch.

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It sounds dear, but the OP needs a new FW anyway so the difference can't be that much - I bet a dual mass thing from the main stealers costs a bomb.

I'd be off to you for one ASAP. I talk to a few taxi drivers who do large mileages and these dual mass things seem far more trouble than their worth.

Julian.

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An LR flywheel and clutch kit comes out at about =A3330, so for parts you'd be looking at rooughly three changes for it to pay for itself - probably not worth it for an verage user.

Richard

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Hi Richard,

Thanks for your offer - it's tempting, but I'll stay with the original type, which is allready ordered to around £300 - I'm going to sell the car, because of a jobchange = company car - but be sure I'll buy a 300 tdi 90 for the weekends...

/Ib

"BeamEnds" skrev i en meddelelse news: snipped-for-privacy@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > Hi Julian,

We can supply a "tradional" flywheel for Td5. It does however require a new clutch too (as in different, but not specialist). The slight snag is that this is oriented towards motor-sport and hence is a little "sharp" when taking up first & second. Somone used to Tdi/V8's would proably not be worried, and might even not notice unless told, but you average Discovery II owner is likely to think it a bit agricultural. It ain't cheap either, around £800 or something, but it does include a new clutch.

Richard

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Ib Krause-Kjær

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I had to change the DM flywheel on our Galaxy/Sharan/Alhambra months out of warranty. Very painful in the back pocket.

The things are a curse. If you research them on the web you'll find nobody's really mastered the technology, and they all fail eventually. The original ones, I was told were produced for Porsche Boxters in the

1980s, and had a habit of exiting sideways through the casing. They don't fail that gracelessly these days, but they do go.

You're dead right - the annoying thing from my perspective was that, in our case, our low mileage meant it failed *outside* warranty. Taxis usually get theirs done under warranty, and the vehicle is changed before it needs doing again. one to watch for anyone buying an ex-taxi people carrier!

There's only one thing that would worry me about a solid replacement: what effect will it have on the gearbox? In the case of a Land Rover, not much, I'd hope, but in the case of our failed flywheel on the Alhambra I changed it anywat. It wasn't dangerous, but the power train was designed to be light weight, and percussive shocks transmitted regularly to where they shouldn't be (i.e. into the box from the clutch), would probably increase wear over time, if not cause sudden failure.

I think these modern high-performance diesels are over-engineered, but under-constructed, if you see what I mean. For a TD5, that probably doesn't hold good. For one thing it'll be far smoother to start with.

Regards,

Simonm.

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