TDI Engines and Vegetable Oil - Can it be used...successfully???

Given the personal cost to me of the last one I cannot agree. It achieved nothing and hurt small businesses disproportionately. When you've spent 20K on an exhibition stand in a deserted NEC you tend only to have negative thoughts about bully-boys in trucks acting without any democratic mandate. Add in the other business we lost and frankly I'd rather cough up for the fuel.

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Tim Hobbs
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"Tim Hobbs" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

I hear and accept your comments Tim, but the only way I can see this government backing down on fuel taxation is to hit them hard with a massive unified public "voice". If it takes action on a scale such as bringing the country's transportation links to a standstill, then the pressure placed upon the government by commerce and industry would be enough to do the job, I reckon. It was/is unfortunate that the smaller businesspeople will always be the first to feel the pinch, but you can bet as soon as the big-guns start to see it causing ripples to their multi-billion profits they will apply more pressure to the government than we, the people, ever could. Unfortunately, and I do genuinely sympathise, there are people who will be hurt financially along the way for the "greater good". Try living in a remote area where you have no choice of public transport, and fuel prices that are above the national average. My local filling station is now over £1.02 per litre of unleaded, the recent increase by the oil companies is only a couple of pence, the rest is taxation!! And the owner of the local station expects me to stay loyal to her, so that she doesn't go out of business leaving only the big supermarkets to then hike all their prices up! I' too, am self employed and if car usage drops, so does the number of vehicles requiring me to service/repair them, so I can see both sides. I believe that had the truckers stuck it out for another week last time round, the government would have had no other option but to reconsider their fuel taxation stance before anarchy descended upon them. Any ideas of hitting the petrol stations with "don't buy from this brand for the rest of the year" is a joke, all you are doing is ultimately putting the staff out of a job as all the companies have mutual shared transport and supply arrangements these days. A mate of mine is a tanker driver, running out of Grangemouth, and he takes a BP marked lorry and fills up all brands of tanks, including the supermarkets. Government will only take notice of industry/commerce complaining bitterly, and the only way that will happen is if they are financially hurt. Badger.

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Badger

In news:dfk5vj$2r2$ snipped-for-privacy@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com, Badger blithered:

Hmm. I must be out of touch. I didn't realise fuel was taxed, it has duty levied on it which is extortionate but fixed, tax?

And

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GbH

VAT goes on top of everything. Tax

Steve

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Steve Taylor

I didn't know the difference until now actually and I'm ashamed to say that, even after four years in England, the only gallon volume I knew was the US one. One more reason for me to say how nice and standardised metric values are......

Geo

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Geo

In news:dfkbf0$iku$ snipped-for-privacy@oheron.kent.ac.uk, Geo blithered:

Lets see now, the Merkin gal weighs 8lb and the Imperial 10lb (NB decimal?) so Merkin is 80% imperial or imperial is 25% more than Merkin. Merkin pint is 16oz = 1lb, imperial is 20oz. Yanks can't hold their beer, small pints you see!

Reply to
GbH

Ah is that what you meant, OK, just what Value is Added? That just means the money you use to purchase this fuel or anything else come to that, is devalued by nearly 15% Should call it CDT rather than VAT I reckon.

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GbH

On or around Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:20:29 +0100, "Geo" enlightened us thusly:

weren't nothin' wrong with pints and gallons 'til the US lot got at 'em... Actually, I think it's th epints that are undersized. Ours are 20 fl. oz, US ones are 16 fl.oz.

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Austin Shackles

On or around Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:04:49 +0100, Tim Hobbs enlightened us thusly:

While I agree with your predicament, nevertheless, the high rates of fuel duty and vat on it affect the price of everything, and will soon put half the hauliers out of business unless they all agree to up the rates; in which case, foreign based trucks will come and rate-cut - they're allowed to do internal haulage within the UK now, and by having several hundred gallons of fuel on board, can fill up on the other side of the channel, bring a load in on monday, do cut-rate work for a few days and head back at the end of the week.

But, for example, if the price stays this high, or goes higher, I'll be looking for an increase in my rate for school transport, which will put the council tax up... that's in addition to the high price you have to pay for the fuel If you don't have kids, tough luck - you still pay the increase in coucnil tax...

and son on all across the board. feedback going out of control, soon, I reckon...

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Austin Shackles

In news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Austin Shackles blithered:

I can see where the Merkins arrived at a 16oz pint (1pt mrk = 1lb, cf 1l = 1kg) but can't for the life of me understand 20oz, except that it makes a gal imp

10lb.
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GbH

On or around Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:51:18 +0100, "GbH" enlightened us thusly:

AFAIK: cost of fuel at the pump is the price at which it's delivered, plus the (minuscule) profit to the retailer plus duty (about 45ppl for normal u/l or diesel) plus vat on the whole lot, at 17.5%.

removing the VAT from it would be a start. bloody rip-off, is that, paying VAT on duty. it's debatable whether fuel should be classed as a "luxury" and subjected to VAT anyway, never mind the duty thereon.

take off the vat from yer typical 95ppl average, you get about 80ppl, less the duty at about 45ppl leaves 35ppl for everything/everybody between the oil well and the gas station.

Mind, heating oil is bloody pricey: 36.27 ppl ex vat for a recent delivery here - we used to be able to get it for about 1/3 of that much.

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Austin Shackles

The seller pays tax on the value he has added (or his 'markup' in other words). The 'value' added is that you can put it in your car from a convenient pump and buy a sausage roll while you do it, rather than having to buy a tanker full (and make your own sausage roll).

A VAT-registered business user doesn't actually pay the VAT of course. Just a fuel-benefit scale charge....

There's no escape.

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Tim Hobbs

Before long there'll be wars starting over oil. Oh,....

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Tim Hobbs

Not coloured in the UK as far as i am aware, but three times cheaper than DERV !!!!!

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StaffBull

It is confusing:

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You want the 'measuring volumes' section near the top of that page.

Reply to
Ray

So I was nearly right.

Reply to
GbH

No need, because it's a different distillate fraction the ratio of carbon to hydrogen is different and shows up in the exhaust gas as such, same reason that the emission tester for lpg has to be interpreted differently during the test.

AJH

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AJH

On or around Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:13:02 +0100, Tim Hobbs enlightened us thusly:

hmmmm.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

On or around Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:42:41 +0100, "StaffBull" enlightened us thusly:

bound to have chemical markers in it even if it's not coloured, though.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

But Diesel testers only test the particulates that's in the exhaust not the chemical composition

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Andy.Smalley

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