Which paint?

About to respray the 110 myself.

As it main use will be off road what is the most durable paint that will be suitable?

Gerald

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Idris
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I used a synthetic coach type paint to spray my s2a with very very shinney finish mud washed off very easily but limited colours available and it takes ages to properly harden

Icky

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icky

The most durable paint will be a twin-pack or two-pack which unfortunately contain isocyanate and for this reason alone is not recommended for home use. You need special spray equipment to spray twin-pack paint, an air fed mask, air filter and a proper spray booth are essential. Twin-pack (called urethane in the USA) is also the most expensive method of applying paint. Twin-pack paint dries or cures by chemical reaction, it is usually the activator or hardener that contains isocyanate not necessarily the paint itself. Application is a bit like spraying synthetic, thick and heavy.

The second most durable paint will be an acrylic (single-pack) base that dries by solvent evaporation, tough but can be quite brittle. Acrylic is relatively cheap but spray application only.

The third is probably cellulose, also single-pack which is almost as good as acrylic, similar to apply as acrylic and spray only but dries faster, also dries by solvent evaporation and leaves a slightly softer finish than acrylic does. Also cheap and easy to apply although some paint outlets won't sell to Joe Public due to solvent emission regulations etc. A fourth method is to use a synthetic (turpentine) base paint that is also single-pack which can be applied by spray, roller or brush, it requires a certain level of skill to apply by brush but is very cheap, so if you damage a panel off roading you can simply repaint again without needing specialist equipment and doesn't need compounding to achieve a shine, unlike all the others.

Most synthetics are alkyd resin which is pretty tough for a synthetic oil base paint.

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

In message , Stephen Hull writes

Any comments about using Flowrite (Owatrol et al) with Tekaloid for brush or roller finish Steve?

Also is natural turpentine recommended as the thinner for spraying?

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AJG

Thanks for that detailed reply, looks like its 1 as its tough or 4 as its cheap.

I am told that autopiant international do a two pack that uses a non-icocyanate hardener, would this be safe to spray at home?

Can you give me an example of a product from the 4th type?

Gerald

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Idris

I'm not familiar with their latest products, I would suggest you ask them as modified alkyd resins typically use isocyanate which gives them added strength, faster drying and chemical resistance. I do not know how a non-isocyanate hardener would perform in paint.

There are isocyanate free products than can be equally unhealthy so I'd check with your paint supplier and ask for their data sheets.

Tekaloid synthetic enamel to name one, autopaint do their own version as do many other paint outlets, the choice is down to you really but spraying synthetic is prettey much the same as any other. The true quality of a synthetic reveals itself when you try to apply it by brush.

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

You can use natural turpentine for sprayiny and genuine for brushing, Tekaloid recommend TN07 for gloss which is white spirit base.

White spirit is a clear colourless mineral thinner which is a petroleum distillate with properties similar to turpentine.

Turpentine substitute is a yellowish or brownish oleoresin obtained from arious coniferous trees, but is more suited to cleaning purposes or to use with undercoats.

Genuine turpentine is the best quality and traditionally used for mixing with and diluting oil paint.

I have some Tekaloid work to do soon on the tub of my 2a, I'm thinking of doing a sample paint test with and without Owatrol and report my findings here or on my site.

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

On or around Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:46:02 +0100, Stephen Hull enlightened us thusly:

but where does it *come* from?

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Austin Shackles

Turpentine comes from the *pine* tree where it is distilled. The degree of distillation can vary from the same source, which is why you can get genuine turpentine, turpentine or turpentine substitute from the same tree.

Mineral thinners/white spirits are petroleum based and generally called synthetic thinners cos they're man made.

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

Hence they don't taste as good ;-)

Richard

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beamendsltd

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BTW Richard, I've not forgot the order, I'm still waiting for the powers to be to release the funding and I was told it would take two weeks, that was nearly a month ago.

Do you also supply boxes of nuts and bolts so I can assemble the seat frames, half inch and 7 sixteenths for example?

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

...and Stephen Hull spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

Ray Mears was on the TV last night reporting from a remote forest in Belorussia, and showed how the Russian partisans used to distil birch bark (heat for a long time in a tin) to give a black oily substance that they used as a substitute for motor grease. Looks like a similar process.

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Richard Brookman

Tekaloid !!!!

Just can't get it nowadays, there used to be at least two places in Coventry where you could, but the last of them only supplies Mason's now and they couldn't figure out what was a proper Land Rover code, not that I would have been that bothered given the state of the paint work, but there you go.

Painted my scooters with Tekaloid but that was back in the days when some buses still had the engine at the front.

Ah linseed oil and builders putty, Ou sont les neiges d'antan?

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Larry

I didn't see the program but would have been particularly interested in the extraction process.

A low quality turpentine is also extracted from the tree stump, this produces turpentine which has a strong unpleasant smell and is mainly used as an industrial grade more suited to cleaning, lubricating etc, a bit like cellulose gun-wash when cleaning out your spray gun.

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

The paint manufacturer Thornley and Knight was founded in 1797 and sometime thereafter (probably mid 1800's) formulated Tekaloid coach enamel which has been used for over a hundred years as a carriage and vehicle paint.

During the 1970's Thornley and Knight were taken over by Croda paints who kept manufacturing Tekaloid paint in more or less the same formulae and volume.

During the late 80's or early 90's Croda paints were taken over by Ameron coatings, around this time the old linseed oil formulae was changed to a more durable alkyd resin base (IIRC).

The bad news;

Ameron (an American company) had no interest in the small coach painting market or paint manufacturer in the UK.

Ameron are big, they are more into marine and offshore structures, oil, gas etc. So Ameron in their infinite wisdom decided to specify a minimum order of 20 litres when ordering Tekaloid, then 40 and the last count was 60 litres per order of Tekaloid. This ordering method unfortunately had a huge impact on Tekaloid sales and stockists, some of which are only small family run businesses who at one time could order Tekaloid directly from the manufacturer in very small quantities but this was not profitable enough for Ameron.

Ameron introduced their ordering method during the decline in coach enamels and this eventually caused an even bigger slump in orders, obviously because some (probably all) paint stockists could not afford to carry 1200 ukp worth of paint in one go so started looking elsewhere for coach enamels or coach paints. This is why Masons and other paint manufactures have been more successful.

the good news;

However unbeknown to everyone Tekaloid although not stocked at paint stockist anymore almost disappeared overnight which left only two companies (to my knowledge) still manufacturing Tekaloid, the Avenue group and Breakwells paints, these two companies who are big enough have setup paint mixing in the original Tekaloid formulae.

So thats why Tekaloid is not widely available but nevertheless still obtainable. Tekaloid can now be mixed to specification by the two outlets mentioned above means that almost any straight colour can be mixed in Tekaloid, which broadens the colour range dramatically as opposed to the original Tekaloid colour rage having less than a hundred colous to choose from, now has thousands.

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

Gone to soldiers, every one!

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GbH

And the Avenue Group have been in my experiance very helpful in supplying vehicle sized quantities, pleasant to deal with and capable of supplying original LR colours!

Regards

William MacLeod

(thanks for putting us on to them Steve :-)

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willie

...and Larry spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

From coach-painting to 15C French poetry in one thread. I love this group.

Reply to
Richard Brookman

My pleasure,

Steve.

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Stephen Hull

I'd second that - even mixing to an obscure Pantone colour - well if you're painting it a different colour it may as well be *very* different! :-)

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AJG

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