The major differences between a Lexus and a Camry are as follows:
- Variations of engine design (VVTi vs. non VVTi)
- Transmission type (4 speed auto vs. 5 speed auto)
- increased creature comforts
- Fit and finish is improved
Having said that, I know of a few people who opted for a fully loaded Camry
instead of the Lexus and put the savings into a higher level of maintenance
(i.e. Mobil 1 oil changes, more rigorious maintenance practices, etc.) Mind
you these people have other Lexus models as well (i.e. SC400, LS 400, SC430,
Also keep in mind that maintenance on Lexus vehicles are considerably more
expensive at the dealer then a Toyota vehicle. At my local dealership in
Toronto, Canada, a oil change is $29.95 for my
2002 Camry LE V6. The Lexus dealer charges $59.95 for the same service. I
get better donuts and other frills, but for $30 savings, I can get a hell of
a lot of donuts.
Other services and maintenance items are more expensive. So if you are
willing to get a better built car and pay for the upkeep, then the Lexus is
the better. If you want to save the $$ and get a fully loaded Camry and do
the same level of maintenance, then that is also good. How will the cars be
in 10 years.... I would say about the same.
Having driven both, I would opine that the ES330 is quieter and
smoother than the Camry.
Both are excellent and reliable cars. I would say that if price and
regular maintance cost is the primary factor, go for the Camry. If
comfort and quiet is important, give the nod to the ES330.
You really can't go wrong with either car.
I currently drive an '03 LS430.
The Lexus $60 oil-change included an engine-flush when I had it done.
Not sure if that is standard practice at all Lexus dealerships.
(The Toyota $30 oil-change doesn't include an engine-flush)
And the Lexus Sevice Consultants wear ties, while the Toyota Service
wear Toyota T-Shirts. Some people prefer dealing with people who wear ties.
I prefer someone who can explain why the hell my ES300 brakes squeal so bad
when the rotors/brakes get hot, and the guys with the ties didn't quite make
My ES300 is still under factory warranty.
The Lexus lounge is much nicer, but the free muffins are sub-standard.
The old geysers in the Lexus lounge are always trying to make a pass at
young woman who works behind the beverage bar in the lounge, but they don't if
wife is in the lounge with them.
I enjoy people-watching in the Lexus lounge.
I don't get a chance to do that in the Toyota dealership since my 1988 Camry
hardly needs anything except the regular 29-minute oil-change.
But I get a loaner vehicle that is newer than my 2000 ES300 if I have to
leave my Lexus at the dealership.
I have had a loaner 2002 ES300 for 5 days, and a 2003 RX330 for 1 day.
Very nice cars (especially the latter), but I personally wouldn't spend approx
on either car.
I even had a Ford Mustang for 1 day.
I think the Lexus dealerships loan you a Ford to make you appreciate your
But I enjoyed "playing" with the 2002 ES 300 transmission.
Very easy to demonstrate, but do not try this if there is anyone else near you:
Accelerate gently to about 30mph, then push the accelerator hard and watch the
RPM go up
to about 5K, but no accelaration whatsoever for a couple of seconds.
So you now know what not to do in emergency situations with the 2002 model.
Oh, by the way genius, it's geezer, not geyser! A geyser is a hot spring
that intermittently sends up fountainlike jets of water and steam into the
air. Sorta' like yuppies that like to try and destroy someone else's new
transmission in a loaner car. But then again, spell checker will let that
one go through, but you have to have a basic knowledge of English grammar to
know the difference between the two words, right? <LOL>
Maybe you can explain why my 2000 ES300 doesn't
exhibit the same behavior under similar conditions.
And my 1988 V6 Camry doesn't either.
If running that test to get an idea of the strange performance
characteristics of the 2002 ES300 will ruin its transmission,
I urge everyone here to buy an Acura instead.
Better to figure out how it works in real life than to find out that it doesn't
in an emergency situation, IMHO.
Grammar? Or diction?
This AOL newsgroup tool doesn't have a spell checker, FYI.
OK, OK, AOL doesn't have a spell checker, but what happened in high school?
Or, grade school, for that matter? Diction refers chiefly to the choice of
words, their arrangement, and the force, accuracy, and distinction with
which they are used. There is a difference between geyser and geezer! <LOL>
Grammar, among other things, refers to the study of the formal features of a
language, as to the sounds, words, or sentence structure. Oh well, the
dumbing down of America goes on.............<G>
The Lexus dealership did one on my 2000 ES300 the first time I brought
it in. Maybe it was because the previous owner had missed the 30K service.
But the oil didn't look like it was too old.
I have heard that the chemicals used in some flushes can wear out engine
seals prematurely, or can cause large chunks of sludge to get dislodged
and plug up something else inside the engine.
Anyway, my car still runs fine for now.
I could be wrong on this, but I think some engines (like the newer Lexuses)
have the ability to dynamically advance/retard the timing to
compensate for the fuel grade (ie. octane) used.
The owners manual for my 2000 ES 300 lists 87 and 91 octane
as acceptable. I haven't tried 87 octane in my ES 300 yet.
On my 1988 V6 Camry, I don't see any noticeable improvement using 91 octane.
But I think it idles a little smoother on 91 though.
Been running my XLE on regular grade fuel for over two years now and I can
not recall reading in the manual that it called for premium. Must double
check. However regular grade here in
Canada is of a higher octane than the lowest grade in the US
I have found.
Does anyone know of the benefits of using premium gasoline other than I do
recall on an earlier non GM prodeuct I had it did reduce engine knock so I
would fuel with the good stuff every third or fourth tank.
Our 'regular' grade octane here in New Zealand is 91 RON, while our
'premium' is 96 RON. You can also get 98 RON at selected petrol
stations throughout the country.
Taumarunui, New Zealand
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:17:14 +1300, someone who calls themselves
That's probably Research Octane ratings. The US Pump Markings are
in "Road Octane" which is (Research x Motor)/2 - they wanted a
realistic number that is an average of the two measuring systems.
That gives us (for sea level to 2000' urban altitudes) regular at
87, mid-grade at 89, and Premium at 91 or 92. If you know where to
go, there is pump racing gasoline available (at a steep premium) for
your vintage muscle cars, usually 108 road octane.
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman, POB 394, Woodland Hills CA 91365, USA
Electrician, Westend Electric (#726700) Agoura, CA
Had a 1997 Avalon with the 3.0l V6 and found it would ping like crazy
on regular gas. Burned plus grade in it (not full premium) and pinging
also fuel economy actually improved enough to save money rather than
scrime along on regular. Ran it this way for about 80k miles with no
My recollection is that the Camry V6 is the 3.0 and is de-tuned to produce
about 180-190 HP on regular fuel. The ES300 has a higher compression ratio
and produces about 210. The IS300 is goosed up a little more to 215. The
RX300 is goosed to 220. Accordingly the Lexi (Lexuses?) require high
Don't know about the 3.3.
The IS (and the GS300 use a completely different engine. The block is
the same straight 6 that was used in the old Supra, versus a V6 for
the Camry/ES/RS. Allegedly the straight 6 is easily capable of
putting out 600 hp in racing trim.
Take a look .....
Lexus IS300 uses a 3.0 liter INLINE six cylinder mounted
longitudinally and rear wheel drive. Camry and ES300 are 3.0
liter -V6- mounted transversely and front wheel drive.
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
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