A/C top-up kit result.

Ah remember when there werent no eater int car. 'Twas so difficult drivin dharn road. Them bloody kids spent all their time drawing cartoons ont side winders.

We still have an air pressure screenwash, purchased new from a VW Dealer, not from a scrappie and stick-on rear screen heater A35 four door!

Them were the days!

Over here, where air conditioning comes as standard, we refer to warm air as "heat".

And you condition the air by cooling it.

You're thinking of "climate control".

Or heating it. Or sometimes by adding moisture to it.

How do you know what I'm thinking?

Air conditioning in general (not necessarily automotive) terms means everything I list above; "climate control" means having an automatic control system to mange all of that without user intervention.

Chris

I owned and used a Bedford CA van in the late 60's that had no heater; it was grim!

Chris

that was the first vehicle I drove (when I was six) column change, sliding doors, nice hot engine cover, that little flap to check the water with a lovely little handle that used to catch your skin as you twisted it and give you a blood blister.

The Peeler gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Climate control is merely the automatic control of air temp/direction flaps & fan speed to maintain a pre-set temperature with minimal user intervention. It's just a front-end control to the same old back-end. A hot-water heater matrix and an aircon evaporator.

Enough to be able to drive off safely. :)

In message , Clot writes

Ah remember that, tew. Wust thing was bloody wimmin wipin their winder with the back of their ands, complete wi dimond rings, and then sayin "T'wurnt me wot scratchcd it, oo've yer ad in ere"?

I had one of those stick-on window demisters, can't remember which car, might have been the A40 Devon.

The 1936 Standard 10 had a windscreen which could be wound open with a knob on the dash, that was handy in fog or in very hot weather. :)

In message , Adrian writes

I have that, and it's better than what I experience when I travel in cars where the driver has to switch the a/c on and off in a vain attempt to maintain comfort.

Gordon H gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

ITYM "where the driver doesn't know how to use the controls in their car properly"

It's what makes the difference between "full" air con and a cooler/chiller. The cooler always works at full capacity and only switches off when freezing of water vapour could cause damage to cooler matrix (about 3°C/37.4°F air exit temp). You really don't want to sit in a box at 3°C/37.4°F for very long.

All cars with "climate control" have heat as it has to heat the air back up to desired temp.

AFAIK UK is the only market in the world that demanded and got "solair" - sunroof and air con as a standard fitment. Anywhere else in the world would have to buy a car with air con and have the sunroof fitted by the dealer as an option.

Car ventilation systems have different arrangements depending on market.

eg from a factory service manual Setting , not UK/EU , UK/EU Vent, 100% dash vents , 100% dash vents B/L , 60% dash vent / 40% floor , 64% dash vent / 36% floor Foot , 63% foot / 37% screen , 50% foot / 22% screen / 28% vent Def/foot , 50% screen / 50% foot , 41% screen / 38% foot / 21% vent Def , 100% screen , 72% screen / 28% vent.

There was no setting on UK/EU vent system that stopped dash vent flow.

And it doesn't stop at vent systems, if you buy a grey market / import car you may not get everything a UK/EU car has. Like engine oil/water heat exchanger, diff oil cooler, trans cooler (300ZX had cooler on manual transmission for EU) etc. This can affect how the car copes with higher average speeds in EU. Cars sold in Germany often have solenoid loading devices to reduce screen wiper lift at speeds in excess of 75mph. Aerodynamic devices that operate at 70mph in EU are adjusted to work at 50mph in UK. Japanese car engine's cooling systems may not have capacity of EU/UK system as it only has to cope with engine management system limited 180km/h (112mph) max speed and repeated accel/decel still can't overload it. Even in the UK there can be local variations, cars sold in Scotland often have an additional petrol fuelled Scandinavian type heater fitted (I'm not sure if they are getting Swedish/Norwegian spec cars or if this is a dealer option).

In message , Adrian writes

Or like the old geezer in our walking group who drops the side window rather than use the a/c. Whether the resulting drag cuts the mpg more than the a/c is open for debate.

That's a heater and a humidifier, respectively.

You can't be thinking of air conditioning. Here's a picture of an air conditioner:

Apparently not.

No, "climate control" is controlled by the user according to desired comfort levels.

How can you people know anything about air conditioning anyway? You don't have it in your homes, and you don't need it.

That "minimal user intervention" being the desired comfort level set by the user. Not automatic, then.

The Peeler gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

I don't think they've invented systems which can psychically determine what temperature you want the air to be at. Not yet, anyway.

Argumentative little bastard, aren't you, Adrienne?

AND IIRC it had flaps on the scuttle to open and let the breeze in

Quite so. Not automatic, then.