Life of a Shogun?

Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Les Desser, managed to produce the following words of wisdom

Serviced properly it'll probably do 2-250k miles with nothing too serious.

It'll probably last until the body rots off it.

In article , Pete M Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:19:28 writes

Thank you for that - just what I wanted to hear. I'm thinking of passing it on to my son but did not want it to be a liability.

How old is the Shogun in question? I`ve driven a couple of 55 plate Shoguns with over 200k on the clock that are still running very happily, but they have been serviced as suggested by the manufacturer :-)

For christ sake give the poor bugger an oil change. 46K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Graham Harvest ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Ummm, I think he meant the *consumption* is unchanged over that interval...

Anyway - even if the oil was unchanged, it'd have got through 20+ litres in that time, so there wouldn't be much of the original fill left. OK, so the filter'd be about to collapse, but...

In article , Simon Finnigan Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:46:18 writes

P reg - I thin 1997

That's about 300 miles a day *every day* for two years! What were they used for?

'Do you like dags?'

Just noticed in another post it`s a petrol engine - your original post didn`t appear here.

Anything and everything :-) They are regularly booted from a standing start to 50-60mph as well, but not driven particularly fast - topping out at

If he liked "Dags" he'd have got his company to buy him a new Passat :-p

In article , Simon Finnigan Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:08:34 writes

I'm thinking along the lines of replacing the vehicle with a 3-4 year old diesel version. I assume that should last even better?

One of us is going to claim a whoosh here.

Don't know if it's me or you, though.

Ah, I thought you were associating Shoguns with Pikeys.

I thought I'd associate Passats with Dags, just for a giggle, but it's ruined now with the "Whoosh".

Especially as Tommy and Turkish turned up in a Range Rover....

I was.

That's the bit I don't get.

Loads of pikeys have Shoguns. Usually Pajeros, actually, but it's the same thing.

Ahh, but they were the anti-pikeys.

Woo-hoo!.

I'm happy now.

Got to be honest, I`ve not seen them after about 250k miles, as they get replaced, but I`ve not seen any huge differences in reliability between the shogun, disco and land cruiser. They`ve all had niggles, but a lot of it seems to be down to the individual car, rather than the particular model. But as I say, I`ve only seen them at very high mileage, not for a long period of time. I`d certainly consider a diesel shogun myself though, if I needed a 4x4.

A *good* slushbox will have a very long life. Trouble is knowing which ones are good - and it doesn't just go by maker.

Dave Plowman (News) ( snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Indeed. It seems to be all about the detail design of the installation - some installations get the cooling and/or service intervals badly wrong, resulting in predictably short lives. Even those can often be prolonged by ignoring the fluid change intervals and changing more regularly - every engine oil change, p'raps.

Cooling certainly is important. I'm not convinced that regular fluid changes would help - the fluid shouldn't get contaminated. Once that starts the box is failing. The other thing is you can't easily change all the fluid as the torque convertor can't be drained and holds something like half the total. If you have an external cooler you can sort of flush through all the fluid by bleeding it out with the engine running while introducing new - but that's a pretty expensive method. On 'lifetime fill' boxes probably worth doing at about 80,000 miles.

Fresh fluid is important in my experience- the anti wear and friction reducers etc etc of the fluid break down with time, and especially heat.

I deal with many comercial and agricultural TC 'boxes, and those that have been run hot (typically silage pit work etc) and where cooling is marginal always die first. Anything over prolonged 80deg C work kills them. In many cases the brake bands are glued and much hotter than this and they start to un-glue themselves!

Tim..