New insurance legislation?

Nah! It'll just lead to more cloning/stealing of number-plates.

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You busy next weekend?

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Out of interest, why? I don't often see caravans and trailers involved in accidents, though there's often a crop of caravans with flat tyres first day of Easter hols.

If they were notoriously dangerous I could understand it, but I expect it's like the electrical Part P thing - perceived hazard may not be the same as actual hazard.

Probably will, but it's a lot more effort, and a lot more criminal than "forgetting" to get insurance.

Cheers,

Colin.

No, can I help too?

Because they travel on the road at 60MPH and spend a great deal of time laid up where things like brakes seize.

Many are out on the road with completely non functioning brakes after 6 months laid up causing some of the jacknifes and caravans overturning cars you see. Many old ones have rotting chassis and perished tyres. THe first time you'll notice a problem in all the aforementioned is when you need to make an emergency stop.

Starts when under 10, "can't do nothin to me mister I'm too young". Then they go though the juvenile courts for years and years. Most of them are still behaving the same and can't figure out that 10+6 = 16 and do time in an instution for young offenders. 2 years on they still haven't learnt to do the maths and go to prision.

you know.......i was given one a few weeks ago, now when i can afford a tow bar for my 77GT Celica, at the age of 35 im going to look stupid in a great car with a caravan.

BTW it went for its MOT last week, i knew it would fail, but a little worse, it look the guy longer to enter the details in the puter than the actual test.

Well the testing bit at least would certainly be a good idea, some of the rotten hulks you see being towed around are completely unsafe and should be taken off the road, even some relatively decent caravans are running around on totally perished tyres that are a blow-out waiting to happen.

Why? I've been towing a 'van since I was 25. Regularly.

You will very rarely find a caravna with a rotting chassis. The old ones were really heavy duty steel and the newer ones are all galvanised.

Rotting floors yes, rotting body panels yes, but not rotting chassis.

Most of the jacknifes and overturns are caused by people towing caravans which are too heavy for the towcar. There are no regulations about this, only recommendatons. Maybe time _that_ was tightened up.

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All interesting assertions but I've never seen any statistics showing that a significant number of accidents are caused by failures that wouldn't have happened if they were tested regularly.

Yes, but most of them are being towed by farm tractors and will be exempt for one reason or another.

By far the majority of broken down trailers I see around here, are perfectly tidy looking boat trailers which could probably have passed any MOT type test before their idiot owners dragged them a hundred miles and then reversed straight into the sea while their bearings were still warm. They tend to make it about twenty miles into their homeward journeys before seizing up.

always be

tax.

draw the

You haven't considered all the implications of this legislation.

As it currently stands a vehicle needs only to be taxed to be sat unused on the road.

a) suppose you own a car you only use in summer and don't have any offrad parking. At the moment you could legaly tax it for 12 months and insure it for six. Under the new system you need to insure for

2. b) suppose you own a car taxed,moted and insured. You go out and buy another car and transfer the insurance to the new car. Unless you had off road storage for the old car and declared sorn in advance of your new purchase you are commiting an offence from the moment the insurance is transfered. Even if you had off road storage you would now, under the new rules, be unable to offer prospective purchasers the opportunity to test drive your old car (under their own insurance) making it harder for you to sell your old car.

jim

The guvment seem to like to go on about respect, but it seems to me that the best way to reduce peoples respect for society/the state/government/whatever is by making otherwise law abiding people criminals. This seems to be the main affect of this law, other that making it easier for the pigs to do their job from a desk rather than the road.

I cite as an example my own decent into the criminal underclass. I had a car, lost the V5. Paid 19 quid for a new copy (to get the tax). Crashed it, scraped it. Went into the DVLA office to get a refund of the tax. Told them 1) The car is scraped and 2) I have not received the V5 (less than 6 weeks after paying for it). They told me to wait till I got it then send it in. I never received it, and forgot all about it. I moved out of that house some 9 months later. Some more months pass, and I meet an old house mate, who gives me a bundle of letters from that house. I find out that not only am I a criminal, I also have a CCJ against me (all this, including a court case, without any knowledge or input from me, not quite sure how this adds up to a fair trial).

So I am now a criminal, and probably unable to get a mortgage without me doing anything that I can count as "wrong", except a little absent mindedness, but I was still following the instructions of the DVLA. I am sure you can imagine how I now feel towards the powers that be. I can imagine that this, multiplied by however many slightly useless people there are in the country and however many new "victimless" crimes they have added over the last few years and I think we can explain a lot of the degeneration of society we see today.

Thanks for listening, I feel so much better now ;-)

I read somewhere it is going to be embedded in the number plate.

Oh, and to think how we used to laugh at the Soviet Union with their KGB agents on every corner.

Andy

Ivan wrote on Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:10:49 +0100:

If she NEEDS a device to prevent her from speeding, she should be banned.

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I saw that episode; her speed was the least of her problems. Driving like a complete arse was her main issue.