Golf Mark IV TD.....

:-)

Chris

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Chris Whelan
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Heh. I'd rather get a Leon, though.

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DervMan

In the way that only someone connected to the french can do.

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Elder

:)

Having driven more than enough 306s to have wanted one, what I wanted was a combination of the 306's ride, handling and refinement with the Golf's economy.

The 306 HDI did this...

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DervMan

The 306 is the one small froggy car that I have always like. Of the larger ones, the 60* series and the Cit CX and C6 still do it for me. But I'm not sure I could own one as a daily.

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Elder

I've liked the 405, 406 and 407 but never quite managed it as a daily driver. The 406 I had a long, hard look at was the 110 2.0 HDI. Nice enough machine but no cruise control. Something big, comfortable and turbodiesel would be great for the motorway, save for no cruise...

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DervMan

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:27:41 +0100, Elder mumbled:

I'd have a CX if I could get hold of one that wasn't shot or rotten. I want a diesel Familiale. My mates dad had one when I was a teenager - he was manager of a Citroen dealer in Rochdale. We used it to go camping in a couple of times and ended up with 3 of us kipping in the back when it pissed down and our tent leaked. Could have done with a bus to get to the tailgate from the drivers door. Ace car. Nippy too, for something so huge and diesel

Mike P

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Mike P

On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:07:41 +0100, DervMan mumbled:

I have a feeling my wife's next car will be a 306HDi, though I'd prefer the older one if I can find a good one for her.

Mike P

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Mike P

The XUDT engine has more character, the HDI feels rather digital by comparison. It's either on boost or it's not, if you see what I mean.

But, whereas your MPG figures with the XUD are in the 40s, they're in the

50s with the HDI. And the HDI chips well too.

I remain slightly tempted.

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DervMan

I'm pretty sure that's only the 1.4/1.6 Petrols.

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Chris Bartram

I had a TDI90 in an Ibiza in 1998, and it was the best diesel in a small hatch at the time- I drove a few XUD-equipped cars, and yes, up until the TDI appeared, it (the XUD) was a world ahead of the competition (VW's IDI, the [shudder] Ford 1.6/1.8, The GM/Isuzu 1.7). The Perkins Prima was OK, but by god, it was rough and noisy, even compared to a VAG TDI :-). The XUD was a pretty refined lump for an older derv, but the power and economy benefit of DI swung it.

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Chris Bartram

Can;t find Tims post but not so much glue more weak rivets. More details here and very good information to.

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munki

Yeah. Think the glue was a joke. The rivets are a well known failure.

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Chris Bartram

The rivets are probably soft-touch.

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Pete M

:-)

Oddly enough, the linked article reckons so...

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Chris Bartram

The early Ibiza TDIs were very expensive to buy new, I remember that much. I may have sniffed the exhaust of a few of these, I don't remember the price, other than it was too much for me, heh.

When Peugeot started making the change from the indirect injection XUD to the direct injection HDI, the newer cars felt more clinical to drive - but lots more economical. I do remember making lots of comparisons between the indirects (we had plenty on the fleet - Mondeo, Vectra, Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, Mercedes-Benz) and the direct injections (Vectra, Peugeot, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz). We found a big difference in fuel consumption, but more people complained about their DI's rattle than the indirect injection rattle. We basically told them, tough luck, heh.

I ran an early Mondeo 1.8 TD. Sure, it wasn't as refined as our Xantia or

406 with the 1.9 TD. Comparable consumption to the Xantia, better than the 406. Much cheaper to service and repair though. And you know, on the motorway, it sounded pretty much like every other four cylinder Mondeo - more road and wind noise than engine noise...

Oh and whilst it was rough and noisy, I had a real sweet spot for the Perkins-derived 2.0 engine as fitted to the Montego and especially the Maestro. We didn't buy any Maestro Clubman Turbodiesels for the fleet, which is a pity because the run out models were very cheap*, economical and went reasonably well too**. Plus a few of the chumps would have enjoyed*** driving their Maestros around.

*I forget what their list price was, but Rover wanted rid of them, so we were offered six for the price of three, or something like this - all with optional power assisted steering. **12.1 seconds to 62, 101 mph, 55.6 mpg combined cycle. ***Just as I used to enjoy topping up their engine oil after three weeks of neglect from these chumps, heh.
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DervMan

Blimey. That was an issue on the old 020 boxes attached to 16V MK2s making big power. You'd think it would have been fixed by the time they got to the MK4.

OTOH thinking about the performance of the 1.6 AEX, I do have to wonder how on earth people are managing to break these things - the 020 is alright in a

139bhp MK2 GTI for a hundred thousand or more. I can only think that VW produced a weaker design or people are driving like complete spanners...
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Doki

They aren't very comfortable at all if you're in them for a while.

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Doki

Ahhh teach me to wonder in late in a thread. :)

... might as well have sed glue for all the good the rivets done.

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munki

Mk2 is about half a tonne lighter, so it's not getting abused by the torque loadings that trying to move a fat bastard Mk4 subject the box to.

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Pete M

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