I found this article about retro designs and thought I'd share my
"Retro as a design theme has failed. There are two success stories,
but four failures. Take a look:
Ford's Thunderbird, clearly a failure."
NoOp comment: Yes, it did fail, but I think it had more to do with its
nearly 2-ton curb weight and $40G price tag.
"Volkswagen's New Beetle, sinking every year."
NoOp Comment: The main reason is the Bug's shoddy workmanship. The new
Beetles aren't screwed together worth a damn!
"Chevrolet's SSR, never reached sales targets."
NoOp Comment: Again, too fat and too high a price tag, plus a flexy
"Chrysler's PT Cruiser, not really a failure but far from the success
it should be."
Sales have cooled lately, but then it hasn't been revised in years.
I'd say the PT has done well.
"On the success side, we have the MINI."
NoOp Comment: Because it was done right. Cars that are done right
"Of course, that Mustang is running strong, although it is new so we
don't know how long she will prance."
NoOp Comment: Again becuase did it right. And as long as gas prices
stay reasonable the new Mustang is going to prance for a long time.
"And there's a new one, the Chevy HHR, which looks like it might have
arrived late to the party."
NoOp Comment: It's do great as long as it's priced reasonably, it's
screwed together well, and the details are done right.
"It's also possible to take a bit of the past without going retro: The
Chrysler 300 is like that. There's something about it that points back,
but it's not retro."
NoOp Comment: But without those retro touches it would be just another
What are your thoughts?
'03 Focus ZX3
And not quite enough power.
It hasn't evolved enough. It's certainly not the "old" Beetle, but I
do see a helluva lot of girls and women driving them...
And pretty much useless except for a joyride or a quick trip to the 7-
I think the PT has done extremely well. When it first came out you
couldn't get one, and discounts on it were impossible. Sounds like
the '05 Mustang, right? IIRC, the PT is due for a makeover soon, so
we'll have to see what effect that has on sales.
And two other things: It's cool-looking as hell, and it's associated
Absolutely. I just don't understand why Ford isn't making more of
them to meet demand.
Personally, I think it looks like a bastardized Jeep Liberty meets PT
Cruiser. It simply doesn't have that cool look like the Mini has.
Even the Scion XB looks better IMO.
The 300 comes across as truly American, with its big wheels and
"chopped"-style top. MBs have the traditional Euro flavor.
There's a difference..... though I have a jaundiced eye, given my age..
seems to me there are only a couple cars there that could pass for
current styling trend-setter, meaning it COULD have happened without
The Mustang being the most significant and best executed.
And it will be interesting to see the 05 model's satisfaction results on
JD Powers in a few years.
Joe wrote in news:jfyxe.25964$du.13419
News for ya... the OLD beetle wasnt all that great.
Look at ALL of VW's reliability figures... fits right in there.
AND BTW, Audi perenially sux, too.
I have NO idea why some people think VW/Audi are 'better' than
American... everytime they bring out a new model, the car mags praise
them to high heaven... then after a few years acknowledge the much needed
improvements of the NEXT over that one.
All started with the 100LS which was a POS right out the box.
So was the rabbit, now the Jedda, and dont say it's Mexico... ask a
recent owner about Passat's coil-pack problem and how it seems like VW
I'll take good old H'umericun pieces of carap
Backyard Mechanic wrote in
It was great in the sense that you could fix it with a hairpin and
duct tape. Not to mention that they ran forever. And an added plus
was that they floated. ;)
Actually, so will I. And believe me, I'm not defending the Beetle
because I think it's basically a POS. But it still seems like a lot
of women drive them because they're "cute" or something.
Tight handling. Plenty of power. Ergonomics of the interior, controls and
seats are excellent. Geez what's so difficult about that? An SVT Focus could
have easily met these criteria given the right management mindset.
1989 LX vert 5.0
Joe wrote in news:HxAxe.12316$ho.9601
Overheating in hot climes was a big problem. An outboard oil cooler
A friend of mine who had one said that the aluminum block would allow
head bolts to creep out until the head gaskets blew. The cure for that
was deep seated head studs.
Other than that, the only problem I saw with the was the size (bad in an
accident) and drawing interior heat from the exhaust manifolds. Hard to
get your windows defrosted and could be deadly with an exhaust leak.
I bought the new style Passat as a 2001.5, which is the same car they are
currently producing. I drove if for three years and when the lease was up
my son bought it and is still driving it. This has been the best car I've
owned and about the only one I never tired of. Son had to take it in for
it's first repair a couple of months ago, a sticking throttle linkage was
causing it to idle too low. Fixed in about fifteen minutes. The Passat is
really just an Audi A-4 with a VW shell and interior (which is of better
quality then most high end luxury sedans), but sells for allot less. I got
mine fully loaded with the 1.8T motor for just about 27K. I know of no
other sedan in the Passat's price range that can top it. Great car!
My wife had a Passat. It had problems too numerous to list. Two
clutches, new computer, etc., etc. A couple of times the "check engine
light" came on while she was driving it out the dealership after a repair.
The final straw: Immediately after having a major scheduled maintenance
service, she was driving it to our summer place in Idaho when the timing
belt broke in the middle of the desert. Of course, the engine was
trashed. It was towed to the nearest VW dealership in Twin Falls and a
new engine was ordered. It took about two months to arrive. (In the
meantime, she had to buy another car.) The new engine was installed and
when they fired it up they found it had seriously bad noises coming from
the valve train. So, they ordered another engine, and it took another
two months. I sold that piece of shit immediately, on consignment so
that the new owner wouldn't know where I live. It was far and away the
worst lemon I've ever owned.
My thoughts are that you are an inveterate bore, Patrick. If I keep
checking in here roughly once / year, I will continue, as I have since 1997,
to find the same regurgitated crap, coupled with flimsy, anecdotal and
incomplete analysis, as always.
To prove my point, I will produce a gem from your (cue awe-inspiring musical
segue) *veteran member* Patrick, from early 1997:
"Per MM&FF magazine (Feb '97) the next Cobra R will be powered by the "low
tech" pushrod 351 Windsor. Why is Ford going to race this motor instead of
the latest and greatest 4.6 liter modular motors? If the OHC/DOHC motors
are as good as you say it is and the "future", why send us mixed messages?
Is it because the 351W is cheaper and easier to modify, better
durability?, with the extra bonus of low end torque. If it is, thanks a
lot Ford, make US shell out the big bucks trying to stay up with the
competion when racing! I don't know what their reasoning is, but if they
want us to embrace the 4.6 liter motor's this is not the way to do it!
Oh, look, it's regurgitated news, open-ended questions, incomplete analysis
with no real conclusions made, and a your opinion, stated in typically weak
I've always known more about this shit than you, Pat. You're just some
middle-aged, middle-of-the-road guy who happens to own a Mustang (oh, and a
Focus, too), when it comes right down to it. Do I need to say "bench racer"
again? It's been at least 7 1/2 years now of that crap, for Christ's sake.
It's just old, and tired. It was on day one.
And whether you'd like to admit it or not, I've been around here at least a
year longer, albeit mostly in lurk mode. I am also markedly more clever
than you, and always will be. I am engaging and interesting. People like
you have always bored the living shit out of me. God, I wonder what an EKG
of your medulla oblongata would look like. Sure, on the dark side, I can be
an unstable, angry loudmouth, with proven psycho drunk tendencies. But at
least I'm not so GODDAMNED BORING. I am a passionate person. And I live
I live life, and don't just stand back and talk about it, Pat. Oh,
unemployment. I came out smelling like roses. I never give up. I never
quit. I always have and always will fight until I fall over. And as for
you, so, you ran a marathon? Good deal. May your health continue to be
good, and your health insurance premiums continue to be low. May you
quantify all your achievements on spreadsheets, and do NPV analysis on all
your purchases. It's hardly inspiring. You even counted your paces on this
marathon, and reported them here, proud as a peacock. But who the fuck
Suck the marrow. Tempt the Grim Reaper every now and again, it's fun. Quit
organizing things and use them. And don't spew forth the details of your
medical past again, either. I just don't care.
Oh, and I'm also thinking it's damned funny you include your Focus in your
I'll be sure to come back and rip on you next year, Patrick Milquetoast.
"Wound Up" wrote in
Sounds to me like you're a challenged know nothing who needs to find
someone to attack to make himself feel better. There wasn't anything wrong
with any of the stuff you quoted.
Once a year? Why not make it never? or get over your obsession. Anyone who
saved a post from 1997 must surely be obsessed.