SVT/GT500 News

Beginning with this summer's introduction of the 2007 Shelby GT500, the Ford brand will let all its dealers sell Special Vehicle Team vehicles.

Now, only a limited number of SVT-certified dealers can sell the high-performance vehicles.

The change could help Ford sell more high-performance cars and trucks. But some SVT dealers are crying foul.

Meanwhile, after a two-year product drought for the SVT brand, its future is up in the air, sources say. It is not clear what, if any, products are slated for SVT beyond the GT500, and Ford has declined to talk about its plans.

Ford has about 600 full-line SVT dealerships; 700 others were certified for the now-discontinued SVT Focus. Beginning with the GT500, Ford will no longer limit the number of available certifications. Certification requirements will be different for each product. The Ford brand had

3,777 U.S. dealerships on Jan. 1.

"This will further strengthen the Ford brand by providing us with a greater opportunity to drive showroom traffic," wrote Darryl Hazel, president of Ford's customer service division, in an e-mail to dealers.

Ford says it's not backing away from performance products. Some sources say Ford is folding the SVT marketing team into the regular Ford brand team. Some also expect SVT's engineering team may be diluted or tied more closely to Ford's racing efforts.

That would be a remarkable about-face for SVT vehicles, which went on sale in 1992. Just a year ago, Ford's product chief, Phil Martens, said SVT was bigger and better-funded than ever before. Martens, who has since left Ford, said SVT would eventually have up to five products. Ford canceled the Adrenalin as part of its Way Forward turnaround plan. Product canceled

One of the new products was to be the Ford Sport Trac Adrenalin in

2007. But Ford canceled the Adrenalin as part of its Way Forward turnaround plan. Ford previously dropped plans for a next-generation F-150 Lightning.

SVT products typically sell for higher profits and at lower volumes - for instance, an average 7,260 units per model year for past SVT Mustangs. Ford has sold 144,994 SVT vehicles since 1992.

Ford spokeswoman Whitney Drake said the SVT organization is working on "several future projects that we aren't ready to talk about just yet." She wouldn't say whether the SVT name will be carried forward beyond the GT500.

The SVT name already is diminished on the GT500, where the logo appears on the door sills. SVT is not included in the GT500 nameplate.

Ford is committed to performance, Drake said. Hau Thai-Tang, who had been a protege of Martens, remains director of advanced product creation and SVT.

Even though SVT dealers will get extra allocation of the GT500, some are upset to lose exclusive access to the high-margin products.

"It's a terrible mistake," said Beau Boeckmann, vice president of Galpin Motors Inc. in North Hills, Calif., which has had a full-line SVT business.

"You had a group that was very focused. They really understood the value of the product."

Making that product available to all dealers will dilute the power of the SVT brand, Boeckmann said. He cited the SVT Focus, sold from 2001 to 2004, as an example. When it was made available to an extra 700 dealers, "people sold it off like it was just a common Focus."

But another full-line SVT dealer said Ford's move might boost the automaker's overall performance business, increase volume and help the brand. Tom Addis, chairman of the Ford national dealer council, said opening SVT up to all dealers should allow Ford to market the products better.

Addis, dealer principal at Lake City Ford in Couer d'Alene, Idaho, said, "The concern has always been: If you have a product that most dealers can't sell, you're limited in how you can advertise it nationally."

Patrick

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NoOption5L
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351CJ

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Backyard Mechanic

Thanks

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351CJ

I don't know about this. On one hand it's good that special dealers won't be able to corner the market, on the other hand it means each dealer will likely have less allotment in number of cars meaning they'll be more inclined to soak buyers.

Reply to
Brent P

Reading between the lines, they still have to "certify".

That implies a certain level of training and support overhead (and more income for Ford Corp)

So dont expect every TV saturating, or small town, dealer to handle them.

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

Unfortunately with the limited availability and increased distribution each dealer is going to try and reap as much profit as possible (as can be see on ebay and other places where the GT500's are getting bids of 25K and up over the as yet unreleased MSRP). Personally I feel that if Ford is going to make the product more widely available then they need to up the production numbers (Like the Corvette which is turned out in batches of about 30,000 a year). With current market conditions and a lack of real competition the demand for the GT500 far exceeds the supply leaving only those with extremely deep wallets the ability to purchase one.

From what I have been reading on many message boards I think this is going to come back to bite ford in the ass. Several people I know who have been Ford diehards all their lives are extremely pissed and actually looking to move away from Ford and start buying other brands. What Ford marketing has been saying (and what I was personally told when I called Ford) is that the low volume maintains exclusivity and if I look around I should be able to find one (obviously at an inflated price). This seems like an odd statement to make if you are in the business of making money. I would think they would want to produce as many GT500's as there was demand for (again like the Corvette). However I have heard rumors that the actual cause for the low production quote are issues with acquiring enough 6 speed transmissions. If thats the case I would say they need to either find a new supplier or make the GT500 available with a 5 speed and offer the 6 speed as an upgrade option.

All I can say is I hope Ford gets its act together quick before the competition takes advantage of the extremely high demand for high performance Pony cars and Fords inability or unwillingness to produce them. I did hear a rumor that Dodge has green lighted the Challenger and it might actually be available in 2007 as a 2008 model. If that is true then the GT500 and Mustang in general is going to be getting some competition sooner than expected.

-DCH

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DC Hunt

Sounds like BS to me since Ford is the last to offer the T56.

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Brent P

Just went to ebay to look. Dealers are hyping it as '2 years only' and 'our only one'. Over MSRP amount due immediately and non-refundable.

My favorite stealership quote from ebay:

"This is a limited production car and has been sold for as much as $600,000 at auction!"

I feel my interest in the GT500 slipping away very fast.

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Brent P

Same here. I'm not in desperate need of any car. I also would like to see what comes out of DC with the Charger/Challenger. A Challenger convertible with a nice 400+ hp engine with no more than a $40k price tag would do just fine. Especially if it looks anywhere near the concept Challenger I saw at the DC Auto Show. Then again, a Z06 delivering 95% of the Ford GT performance for $70k is another option that really gets my interest. In a way there are almost too many choices. It is good times indeed for us horsepower addicted gear heads.

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Michael Johnson, PE

Dude, get over it already. Buy a stock '05 GT, buy a supercharger, buy bigger brakes and some beefier sways/shocks and if you really want to go whole hog, buy the Shelby body kit (which they'll gladly sell you). Congrats, you've just saved yourself $30k.

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Ritz

No, I am not rewarding ford and buying a lesser model with intent to modify. Been there, done that, car is still nearly stock. I don't want an engineering project, I do those for a living.

Buying a regular GT is just want ford marketing wants people to do and I am not going to reward them. I'll sooner spend more money than I intended for a more refined car without the comprimises of a base mustang than I will squandering it on modifications that have me replacing blown engines and spending countless hours working out bugs or on dealer premium.

Only if you count the outragous over-sticker bidding, which I refuse to even consider. I'll save the whole thing and not buy.

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Brent P

So you're not going to buy one anyway...if you're going to piss into the wind, maybe you can do it in private...

If you want a "Shelby" you'll have to suck it up and pay. If you want a fast Mustang (which is all you'll be getting anyway) then build your own. If you just want to listen to bitching and complaining then post cat recipes to rec.pets.cats...

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Ritz

GT500 for MSRP or less is certainly on my short list.

I want a fast car with braking and handling that I fit in that is RWD with a manual transmission. I also don't want to spend 45K+ for it. If I have to spend 45K+ for it, the GT500 is no longer in contention. I can just go over to the chevy dealer down the street and pick up a new vette without all the bidding and bullshit. (but I fit poorly in a vette, but I am sure I can more easily modify the driver's seat than make GT500 out of a mustang GT)

As much as it would pain me to go over to GM, it would pain me more to play Ford's games. A used Porsche 911 wouldn't be a bad option either, and given the ebay bidding a new 911 could be had for the same money. (and if it's exclusivity that ford is shooting for, owning a Porsche 911 or viper will have more of that effect than a car most people will see as just another mustang regardless of the relative production numbers against a GT500)

You may be willing to play ford's game and may not like that I am not willing to. But as I follow this stuff online, fewer and fewer people are willing to do so. Ford will be gutting their most loyal customer base if they persist in this direction.

I'd rather build a fast 6 cylinder maverick if I am going to go through all that effort. It's not like mods are worth squat afterwards anyway, and I might as well make it something different.

I may be the most vocal here, but not the only here and not the only one online either.

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Brent P

That's extremely unlikely to happen. So your bitching is rather pointless.

So you like the Mustang but don't want to pay the market price. I don't blame you, but whining about it here serves no purpose. Write a letter to Ford if it bothers you that much. I suspect they care more about the financial boon to their stealerships than any ill will it generates with you, though.

There ya go. Lots of options. How about picking one instead of grousing about the option that you'll most likely not have?

I'm not playing anyone's "game". I'm actually getting an RS6 for my daily driver fun and might pick up a stock Mustang GT and modify it per my suggestion above for summer weekend fun. If I don't have the time or inclination for that, I'll just get a Z06 or a Viper or maybe even supercharge an older NSX and call it a day. It's ONLY a car, man....

Whether you mod it yourself or pay Ford/Shelby to mod it for you, it's still going to depreciate like a rock. Welcome to economics 101. A motor vehicle, with very few exceptions, (and this ain't one of 'em) is a depreciating asset. If you're already whining about the markup, you probably don't have the spare cash to play the collector game anyway (few people really do).

No, not the most vocal. Perhaps the most annoying though....

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Ritz

Scrape off all the needs vs wants and "would'a should'a could'a"

Just WHAT is wrong with Ford setting a price and dealers, putting a premium on it? If the price is too high, no one will buy.

It might aggravate you... but what would you change? Suppose you've built a really exceptional car, and you list it for sale...And some chump comes around waving a Hemmings or KBB and tells you he wants the car but you're asking way too much.

Bitching because a dealer will hold out for more money, while you'd have no problem doing the same just seems.... well... silly and self-centered.

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Backyard Mechanic

Hell I had a big enough issue with them over the GT to sit idlely by and watch them do the same damn thing with the GT500. It seems that the manufacturers have caught on to the fact that there are an awful lot of fools out there with more money then sense.

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Zombywoof

Let me get this straight.. you are going to show Ford that you arent going to 'sit idly by'.. by sitting idly by, and not buying the product.. right?

And you want Ford to learn their lessons from the foreign competition... but not apply ALL of them, right?

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

You are neglecting the role ford's marketing decisions play in that dynamic.

It's clear you don't understand. go read the posts over again.

Reply to
Brent P

By that I mean I stroked old Bill Ford a letter letting him know how I feel on the subject. We can all sit around in this forum and bitch till the cows come home, but that ain't going to make a point with the decision (or indecision as the case maybe) makers.

Does that put it into perspective for you?

Oh and sorry that my spell checker isn't up to your standards.

Hell I want Ford to learn lessons from their own dumbass mistakes, let alone others. I've already dumped their stock that has been held in my family for almost 50 years and moved the proceeds into Harley Stock.

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Zombywoof

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