1 millionth Prius sold in the USA

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Brakes are why I said "almost all", and not "absolutely all".

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

That's not my point.

His point was that in any car with a conventional starter, it requires replacement inside 100K miles.

And that's absolute bullshit.

Same with the other items that he claims are "required" in any non-Prius automobile.

He even includes timing belt, as if (a) the Prius is the only car on the market that doesn't use a timing belt, and (b) that those cars require a timing belt change inside 100K miles. Both of those statements are bullshit.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

Your statement makes no sense. English, please.

Are you saying that your Toyota dealer told you with OTHER cars that the timing CHAIN needed replaced?

Please quote timing belt replacement intervals for modern cars that use timing belts.

You don't, and you won't--because it refutes your precious claim that "the Prius is better because it doesn't require a timing belt replacement inside 100K miles like every other car on the road".

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

You would also no longer get notices for timing belt OR chain replacements for many, many other cars.

Again, the initial assertion was that the Prius is somehow special because it doesn't use a timing belt--ignoring the fact that many, many other cars also don't use timing belts.

Those who would claim that the Prius is special on the basis of its using a timing chain are tossing around bullshit and/or sticking their heads in the sand, trying to rationalize their purchase of a Prius over other cars.

The real question is, why the need to rationalize your purchase of a Prius?

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

Although the displacement is the same, the engines aren't.

Reply to
Michelle Steiner

Of course they aren't. Everyone knows that--everyone except people who are willing to lie or ignore the truth in order to try to make the world something it isn't and never will be.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

Let's see; the Prius uses the 1NZ-FXE, and Atkinson cycle engine

The Scion uses the 1NZ-FE, an Otto cycle engine.

Similar, but different, engines.

Reply to
Michelle Steiner

The only real difference is the head and/or pistons and cams.

I have been trying to find part numbers for the head and pistons to find out which is different to give the higher expansion ratio.

And once again just so we are clear the 1NZ-FXE has conventional connecting rods not the special linkages of a true Atkinson.

Reply to
Daniel who wants to know

Well 2001 Echo and NHW11 Prius both use cylinder head PN 11101-21033 NHW20 and Yaris is 11101-21061

piston: Prius NHW111 13101-21060 NHW20 13101-21110 Echo: 13101-21030 Yaris:

13101-21070

Intake cam Yaris: 13501-21030 NHW20: 13501-21060 Exhaust cam Yaris 13502-21031 NHW20: 13502-21021

So there you have it, Prius higher expansion ratio is due to a different piston, Atkinson valve timing is due to different cams.

Reply to
Daniel who wants to know

And your stated conclusion is that because of that, the Prius is superior to other cars.

Really.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

What does that mean?

Quieter? You mean, when running the ICE as it drives down the highway, it's quieter?

Inside, or outside?

Neither is the case, but I'm curious what your position is here.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

Oh, yeah, Wikipedia--the end-user edited public "encyclopedia" of whatever anyone chooses to write.

yeah, THAT'S authoritative.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

So go ahead, put the Otto cycle parts into your Prius, and see how far you get before the engine computer stops you.

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

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