1 millionth Prius sold in the USA

More sillyness from: On Apr 21, 6:38 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote: . . .

The Prius does not have a separate starter motor, starter motor solenoid, starter relay, nor a high current, 12V battery.

The Prius does not have a separate alternator or alternator regulator.

We have measurements showing it reduces cold-weather drag.

Every 60,000 miles, our local Toyota dealer sent out a reminder to have the timing chain replaced. Nothing for the Prius.

My wife's 2010 Prius has no belt ... none.

Funny thing about Prius batteries, they seem to last a long, long time compared to ordinary car batteries that have to crank out 100A or more to power the starter motor. In contrast, as you've already pointed out, the Prius battery has an easy life.

A few grains of observation out weights a pound of b*llshit any day ... and especially today.

Bob Wilson

Brakes are why I said "almost all", and not "absolutely all".

That's not my point.

His point was that in any car with a conventional starter, it requires replacement inside 100K miles.

And that's absolute bullshit.

Same with the other items that he claims are "required" in any non-Prius automobile.

He even includes timing belt, as if (a) the Prius is the only car on the market that doesn't use a timing belt, and (b) that those cars require a timing belt change inside 100K miles. Both of those statements are bullshit.

Your statement makes no sense. English, please.

Are you saying that your Toyota dealer told you with OTHER cars that the timing CHAIN needed replaced?

Please quote timing belt replacement intervals for modern cars that use timing belts.

You don't, and you won't--because it refutes your precious claim that "the Prius is better because it doesn't require a timing belt replacement inside 100K miles like every other car on the road".

Of course because it is my point that parts that not exist can not break.

Toyota was always sending us notices about replacing the timing chain/ belt of our old Camry. After it was replaced by the Prius, no more notices. But there is one other Prius trick.

The 1.5L Prius engine produces 76 hp in the NHW20 but 110 hp in the Scion. This gives the Prius engine less stress and a longer life ... we don't really know how long they last because they just don't seem to fail. In contrast, engine rebuilds seem to be fairly common in the gasser/diesel world.

Bob Wilson

Amazing that in spite of the fractured English, you've figured it out.

I'm just so glad we no longer get notices for timing chain replacement ... with our Prius. How about you?

Bob Wilson

You would also no longer get notices for timing belt OR chain replacements for many, many other cars.

Again, the initial assertion was that the Prius is somehow special because it doesn't use a timing belt--ignoring the fact that many, many other cars also don't use timing belts.

Those who would claim that the Prius is special on the basis of its using a timing chain are tossing around bullshit and/or sticking their heads in the sand, trying to rationalize their purchase of a Prius over other cars.

The real question is, why the need to rationalize your purchase of a Prius?

Although the displacement is the same, the engines aren't.

Of course they aren't. Everyone knows that--everyone except people who are willing to lie or ignore the truth in order to try to make the world something it isn't and never will be.

What a happy coincidence ... we replace the Camry with a Prius and suddenly, like a switch, no more timing chain notices. Good car, the Prius.

Bob Wilson

Weird, the Wiki reports they are of the same series:

Bob Wilson

I'm very happy that we get no mailings about replacing the timing chain. Very happy!

The Prius has fewer parts; is quieter than any car other than the electrics; has better fuel efficiency than any other gasser or diesel with equivalent payload; and continues to get excellent ratings from Consumer Reports for both new and used car. In fact, it remains a Consumer Reports recommended:

Consumer Reports Ratings&Pricing Guide, Spring 2011, pp. 194.

But please keep 'tilting at windmills' by dear friend, Don Quixote. Your unsubstantiated claims, so old and thread-bear, are so easy, so simple to refute by citing credible sources ... of which you have none but inflated claims. What a joy toy you are ... so simple.

I have to admit a certain wicket pleasure at your grief ... but then you keep coming back for more 'whack a mole.'

I used to think Prius skeptics were just venal, not transparently, stupid. Please, please, please, don't give up as we need the practice.

Bob Wilson

Let's see; the Prius uses the 1NZ-FXE, and Atkinson cycle engine

The Scion uses the 1NZ-FE, an Otto cycle engine.

Similar, but different, engines.

The only real difference is the head and/or pistons and cams.

I have been trying to find part numbers for the head and pistons to find out which is different to give the higher expansion ratio.

And once again just so we are clear the 1NZ-FXE has conventional connecting rods not the special linkages of a true Atkinson.

Well 2001 Echo and NHW11 Prius both use cylinder head PN 11101-21033 NHW20 and Yaris is 11101-21061

piston: Prius NHW111 13101-21060 NHW20 13101-21110 Echo: 13101-21030 Yaris:

Intake cam Yaris: 13501-21030 NHW20: 13501-21060 Exhaust cam Yaris 13502-21031 NHW20: 13502-21021

So there you have it, Prius higher expansion ratio is due to a different piston, Atkinson valve timing is due to different cams.

And your stated conclusion is that because of that, the Prius is superior to other cars.

Really.

What does that mean?

Quieter? You mean, when running the ICE as it drives down the highway, it's quieter?

Inside, or outside?

Neither is the case, but I'm curious what your position is here.

Oh, yeah, Wikipedia--the end-user edited public "encyclopedia" of whatever anyone chooses to write.

yeah, THAT'S authoritative.

So go ahead, put the Otto cycle parts into your Prius, and see how far you get before the engine computer stops you.