1 millionth Prius sold in the USA

Statistics can prove anything.

Or do you dispute that?

Always look for what's left out.

The car would still run and drive, it would just have a little more power and get less MPG. People have put turbochargers on the Prius before and it runs fine.

The caveats are that the HV ECU knows at all times exactly how much horsepower the ICE is putting out because it knows ICE RPM and it knows MG1 torque via the amps. If you try to boost the ICE output the HV ECU simply commands less throttle opening from the engine computer.

This is also part of the high MPG, the HV ECU knows exactly how much air and fuel is going into the ICE via the MAF and injection pulse width and it knows exactly how much power is coming out hence it can calculate the brake specific fuel consumption and run the ICE at the best point as much as possible.

Den 28.04.2011 23:12, skrev Elmo P. Shagnasty:

Statistic can prove anything, but still you cant show any numbers that contradict bwilson4web's numbers. If you dont show any numbers too your favor, you will lose this debate. If you come whit an allegation, it must be followed whit proof too validate your allegation. I am only seeing allegations from you. You dont show us what you mean is left out, by hard facts.

hPSa

bwilson continues to leave out specific information that he doesn't like to include; nobody has to provide any numbers to point that out.

Sad, the charts are the data in a graphical form. They also show the degree that hybrid skeptic will go to deny reality. Data sources have been provided. But you might want to go there . . .

Just use the same charts as before including the table about about air density effects. At 15F, got 47.5 MPG in our NHW11, 03 Prius. That is what these pretty accurate charts allow us to do, confidently predict performance rapidly and without having to be rude about it. But since you've asked about my driving, I've had an interesting experience lately.

Power is off in Huntsville Alabama and most of North Alabama. This means every traffic light intersection has become a four-way stop . . . miles and miles of four-way stops. So yesterday I was in Decatur, about 35 miles from Huntsville which I reached at 62 MPG. There I bought 5 gallons of gas for our 03 Prius that has a 1kW inverter so we can 'camp out' at home.

My Prius UPS:

Now this is something an ordinary gasser or diesel fails at because they only generate electric power when the engine is running. The Prius engine puts a charge on the traction battery and then shutsdown. The traction battery continues to provide power for the inverter until the charge gets low enough for the engine to startup. So our neighborhood has the cicada sounds of little generators rumbling away ... making a boat load of carbon monoxide and having to be refueled and maintained. In contrast, the Prius has a catalytic converter and effective muffler. Folks don't even hear it unless the engine happens to come on and even then, it can't be heard beyond our property line.

While I was in Decatur on Friday, some parts still don't have traffic lights and to drive out of town, my wife's Prius ran 72 MPG for the 8 miles it to reach the highway. It was nothing but stop-and-go traffic which is death to any gasser or diesel mileage.

So my fine feathered Prius skeptic, how is your mileage in say 10 miles of stop-and-go traffic every 1/10th mile? Choose your weather, it doesn't matter, the Prius just wipes out ordinary vehicles. But thanks for askin'

Bob Wilson

Den 30.04.2011 03:42, skrev Elmo P. Shagnasty:

You behave like a politician.

hPSa

not at all.

Bob, on the other hand, absolutely behaves like a politician. His charts and graphs show what he wishes, leaving out items that are inconvenient to him, hoping that no one pays any attention to that--just like a politician/magician stage performer.

In this we agree ... you're behaving like FOX ... just making stuff up.

Where is your data? ... Oh, you don't have any.

Instead, 1 million Prius sold in the USA. Simply amazing and now GM is following with their Volt and Nissan their Leaf. Ford has already been in the hybrid game since 2006 and continues to add more models. Then there are the EU companies who are stumbling all over themselves to bring out their own.

What it comes down to is the hybrid skeptics have lost but like a chicken with its head cut off, they continue to flail away. Reminds of the what I heard about the 'birthers' after the President approved release of his long-form, birth certificates. They've decided to go into other things like grade cards ... or as Stephanie Miller called them ... after-birthers.

Bob Wilson

Humor has it that Stephanie is doing a live comedy tour, but you hardly can get any info about it from her radio show. Frangela is whispered to be the opening act.

Good news today. Toyota expects to achieve full-speed production this summer:

"Toyota said production is expected to normalize in stages, starting in June both inside and outside Japan, rather than starting in July in Japan and in August outside its home country as it previously announced."

Serendipity, the following post showed up in another forum about the 'modern' TDI Jetta, by an advocate:

"Here's 2 cents about my VW current/recent experiences:

1. That timing belt is critical. If you buy a Jetta/Golf and they can't show you a receipt where the belt, belt tensoner, and idler pulley were all replaced then spend the money & do it again. Even if it costs -800.00. Much cheaper than hunting down a serviceable motor when something breaks. Spoken from sad personal experience....
2. I own and drive a 2002 manual trans Jetta. My daily commute is primarily rural where anything over 60mph is unusual. Two lanes mostly where every opportunity to pass must be taken. So, while I'm not SpeedRacer, I'm not Granny either. The car always, always gets 45+ mpg. And when I keep my foot out of it I can get it up into the low

1. The car has 256000 miles on it. It doesn't show. And before the above referenced sad day, the original engine was strong, willing and used about 1 quart of oil between 6-7000 mile changes. I was looking forward to bragging about the 300K motor, but....
2. VW built a funky automatic transmission for the Golf/Jetta, called

1. I know of 2 sites that cater to the TDI enthusiast. Both can teach you something and there are "Cars for Sale" pages that might help you find a car. www tdiclub com and www myturbodiesel com. Some members have posted useful troubleshooting & how-to documents.
2. I really like my car. Even looking for another for my son. Stickshift though...."

- LGJetta, Ecomodder.com, May 12, 2011.

Our 2003 Prius, the NHW11, 01-03 model, has never had a timing chain notice. Yet here is this same period Jetta TDI report about how that 'modern' car needs timing chain maintenance ... and what happens if it is ignored. Facts and data, reality, again punctures the resident skeptic's strawman claims.

You know if 'Elmo' wasn't such an ass about it, I probably wouldn't have noticed this posting in another forum and brought it here to refute his strawman fabrications and lies. His lack of civility and skill invites a reality 'smack down'. He is such a tool but useful for bringing facts and data that show the superiority of the Prius compared to equivalent 'modern' vehicles.

Bob Wilson