94 Impreza won't start. I'm shocked, comma, shocked.

Hello, Subaruphiles. I'm the not so proud owner of a six-shades-of-red-and-rust '94 Impreza POS, 240K on it. We bought it for $900 from a friend about a year ago. We've since dropped close to that amount in it on brakes, brake lines and a number of other things I don't remember. My son and friends were driving it around over the Thanksgiving break - he's a college boy - and pulled up to the house one night around 1:00 AM to raid the refrigerator. When he went back out with his hoard of groceries, the thing wouldn't start. Turn the key and all of the electrics function fine, but no noise whatsoever. No cranking. Nothing. Could've been much worse, I know. Could have been someplace many miles away from the homestead. I haven't the will to put any more shekels into it but I need to be able to move it. I once had a '93 Saab that would do the same thing until a mechanically adept passerby (I am NOT mechanically adept) showed me how to rap the starter with a hammer to get things going again, at least temporarily. Would any of you know if a shot to the starter, wherever it is, might get the Rust Bouquet rolling again, or have any other brilliant thoughts on how to move the thing, short of towing?

Thanks very much,

Michael Hudson

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Michael Hudson
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I have used the bang-the-starter many time with other vehicles and it can work. I however; would first check all the battery & ground connections by removing-cleaning and retightening.

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Edward Hayes

With 240,000 miles on it...check in this order...... Since you say "No Noise whatsoever"....

ignition switch(check switch and mechanical linkage if used) neutral/clutch safety switch (try in Neutral NOT Park) Solenoid and contacts.(replace solenoid or starter) Throwout bearing inside starter (they freeze on the shaft,replace starter) Brushholder/brushes in starter (replace starter)

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Backfire Burrito=Skidmark

Thanks, Edward, I'll do those things. Failing there, would you happen to know where the starter is on this car and what it looks like? The one on my Saab was up by the right front passenger's wheel and, while I knew where to smack, I never really got a look at the thing.

Thanks again,

M
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Michael Hudson

If, when turning the key you get a "click" from the starter (drivers side of the engine top) then the starter contacts are burned. Common on Subie starters and NOT a reason to buy a new starter. Remove starter (this can be a chore without a lift) remove the 3 bolts on the solenoid; remove plunger replace the two little copper "L" pieces that attach to the big lugs. (in stock at a subie dealer) Clean the contacts of the copper plunger, reassemble. I am assuming you have some mechanical knowledge and can take something apart and put it together in the correct order. ;)

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Stephen H

SHUDDER!

some mechanical knowledge and can take something apart and put it together in the correct order. ;)

Regrettably, Stephen, I wouldn't know a solenoid if it bit me on my ass and I don't know what you mean by "lift." Given that I think I'm better off staying away from the starter. I did clean and tighten the batter terminals last night, however, to no avail. I detect no noise whatever from the engine. When I turn the key, with the clutch fully and completely depressed, I hear the workings of the switch itself and nothing more. Dash light come on, headlights work.

My mechanical abilities aside, thanks very much for your advice.

Michael

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Michael Hudson

I wonder if the switch on your clutch pedal is fubar and it thinks you're trying to start it in gear. Do the headlights dim when you turn the key? That implies the starter motor is sucking back all the juice. No dimming = bad connection or something is preventing the starter from engaging like a clutch switch.

Ray

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Ray

Hey, Ray. I'm pretty sure there's no dimming, but I'll give it a whirl when I get home tonight and report back. Much obliged.

Michael

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Michael Hudson

CLICK!

Well, Ray, the headlights do, indeed, dim. Almost imperceptibly, yes, but dim they do. Does that mean that I have a Juice Sucking Starter Motor? Sounds like an insult, don't it?

Thanks in advance,

M
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Michael Hudson

Have the battery tested or replaced first. Cheapest, easiest

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Stephen H

Dude...... YOU are ASC Certified and you said that???? Re-read the symptoms again...... The fact you can't troubleshoot something as simple as this AND you currently work at a Subaru Dealship Says it all....(NOT good) Typical DEALER trouble-shooting..replace everything until it starts. You are NOT ASC certified..you are $$$ certified...

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Porgy Tirebiter

">> Have the battery tested or replaced first. Cheapest, easiest

With all due respect, I did mention TESTED/replaced. I would always test a battery before replacing it. We are ASSUMING that all of his terminals are clean and tight too. It is difficult to trouble shoot over the internet, but guaranteed I could have an answer in under 5 minutes in a shop. Granted I overlooked the "Almost imperceptibly, yes," statement and that does change the look of things. But this is a free forum and he is not paying for advise, we are all just trying to help.

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Stephen H

Exactly. Not being able to touch, drive or listen to a vehicle means no reasonable diagnosis - just possibilities.

Carl

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan

Why do pe "Regrettably, Stephen, I wouldn't know a solenoid if it bit me on my ass and I don't know what you mean by "lift." Given that I think I'm better off staying away from the starter."

At this point if we can't direct him to check voltage on a solenoid, what good is it to press on with advanced diagnostics. I admire the OP for admitting we have entered a unknown area, I can type for hours on a subject but not knowing the OP skills....

Sometimes I wonder why I give up the time.

Take care

Steve

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Stephen H

SPUTTER!

I appreciate everyone's time, and I do understand that a) diagnosing from afar is very much a crapshoot and b) doing so for a person with my limited mechanical ability is well nigh impossible (this past summer, some long suffering folks from a Saab newsgroup talked me through changing my own sparkplugs, which involved removing four screws and lifing the direct ignition module straight up to access the plugs... you would have thought I was attempting to separate conjoined twins).

Again, I most certainly appreciate any and all efforts expended on my behalf!

Thanks,

M
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Michael Hudson

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You own a Saab? I'm Sorry.... ;)

Steve

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Stephen H

Yeah, an '02 9.5. And you know what else? I'm buying another Saab for my son - that'll be my sixth Saab - so he won't have to drive that POS death trap of a Subaru he's been tooling around in. Well, tooling around in prior to the latest spell it took, I mean. I like Saabs. I just can't help myself.

Shiny side up,

M
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Michael Hudson

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My theory has been :People who design aircraft shouldn't design cars. This is from someone who worked on aircraft too! Every time I work on a Saab I cry (followed by bmw and vw and Audi Volvo's)

Steve

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Stephen H
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OK, Get him the Saab 9.2 or as we at the shop call it "The Saabbaru" I'll buy off on it! ;)

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Stephen H

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