are most cars crap? Or do most people not take care of their cars?

or was Saturday not representative of the fleet...?

Got a call from a friend. She needed to buy a car quickly, preferably that day, or so she said. She'd done research on what used cars were available locally and just wanted a "car guy" to help test drive and spot problems for her.

Car one: base model Focus. Don't remember year. A grim little penalty box of a car. I couldn't find anything really wrong with the car other than one quarter panel had been repainted, badly - the tape line was evident inside the door jamb and the paint was already bubbled in several places. But it was loud, slow, didn't ride or handle particularly well, and was just thoroughly unappealing. Needed new tires. Asking price was $7K. I thought that was insane.

Car two: A4 chassis Jetta 1.8T. Asking price $7K - sold as we were driving up to the lot. (I figured that this would be the car she'd buy, but no chance to make that happen.)

Car three: A4 chassis Golf 2.0. Asking price $7K. Interior was not well kept, lots of the rubberized coating was peeling off of various trim bits, smelled like smoke. Car was loud and so slow that I did not feel safe driving it. Also appeared to have had a complete repaint at some point in time (overspray on brake/fuel lines under car) Had new tires, but some cheap off brand. Stalled the first time it was started, then took a long time to crank over and catch. Not real confidence inspiring.

Car four: BMW 530i, mid-90's. Didn't get to drive because private seller wouldn't answer his phone.

Car five: '01 BMW 330xi (or ix? I forget. It wasn't AWD anyway) wasn't on her list, but was available at the dealership that had the POS Golf for $7K. Gorgeous car. Asking price $8K. Couldn't find a damn thing wrong with it other than that it had 150K miles and had a little more deposits under the cam cover than I'd prefer - but it drove excellently, and felt like it had far fewer miles than it was actually showing. New Dunlop tires, suspect it has sport suspension package as it is STIFF. I did explain the higher TCO of a Bimmer to my friend, but she bought it anyway. I can't say as I disagreed with her decision, because either the Golf or the Focus were simply unacceptable vehicles in my opinion. Did I mention that I completely f**king love this car? Silver/black leather, just like all good German cars should be, fully loaded, DAMN I love the exhaust sound and that wonderful shifter. Pedal position is so wonderful that heel and toeing is cake easy, although I didn't detect any weak synchros. Loved it loved it loved it...

So here's my question - were the Golf and the Focus representative of what they are supposed to drive like? As in, when I'm going maybe 50 MPH and downshift to third and floor it (all cars tested were 5- speeds) shouldn't something happen besides the engine getting louder? I seriously think that both were slower than my old F*rd pickemup truck with the 300/E4OD. Golf definitely was. Are they really that thrashy, loud, slow, and unrefined? Or am I spoiled and overly picky from years of only driving sporty, higher-end cars (not really high- end, last two personal cars have been a Porsche 944 and before that a GTI 1.8T.)

Honestly, I never thought I'd say this, but I like my company Impala more and more because of all the cars that we test drove only the BMW didn't feel like a *downgrade* from the Impala, and I never considered the Impala to be a particularly outstanding car.

nate

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N8N
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Unfortunately, most of the cars you mentioned are high maintenance models. The Focus is OK (if an early one, only if all recalls have been performed).

I think we've been over what I think of VWs a few times. Nice cars, they should have the Japanese build them...

BMWs? Does this girl have a lot of money for maintenance? Parts are even more expensive than Toyota parts.

Nissans just aren't always built well. Sentra is a safe bet.

Toyotas...probably too much negative hype about unintended acceleration, but anything

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

For myself? something *old.* I'm thinking maybe a BMW 3.0CSL, but I don't have the scratch for it. Or a Volvo P1800. Or another Scirocco. I don't really like new cars.

I warned her about the maintenance of the BMW, being familiar with it myself (back in the day I had an E28 535i) the upside is that if you actually follow the maintenance schedule and have a good mechanic it is a good durable car.

I've given up on the 944 though. I'm not going to restore it, and it needs too much work to be trusted for long trips (although it still runs fine.) New owner should be here in an hour or so. Who, amusingly, is the guy I bought it from. Maybe I'll own it again in another 6 years or so.

nate

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Nate Nagel

There are plenty of low-priced cars from that era.... in the case of the

3.0CSL, I suggest looking at the ads in the back of Roundel magazine.

I also suggest you skip it and get a 2002, which is just the most fun car to drive you can imagine, and not all that bad to maintain.

Parts can be super expensive or fairly cheap depending on what they are and where you get them. A lot of electrical stuff is shared with VW and you can get some parts through a VW dealer for a lot cheaper if you can cross them.

--scott

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Scott Dorsey

shouldn't that be "Suisse"?

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jim beam

Ah, but the 3.0 looks like rolling sex, while the 2002 looks like... well, a 2002.

nate

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Nate Nagel

STOP! You're making me cry!

There's a 3.0 for sale in Vermont. I had an 1800ES that I loved so much I flipped it over ("Once over lightly, please") It was also a high maintenance car, and had a nasty habit of dropping the alternator the further you were from home, but you certainly didn't pass yourself on Main Street.

I saw a P1800 a couple weeks ago. Same old story, stored in a barn for 20 years, under a cover, and sold for $1200.

I had a chance to buy a '79 928 for $400, but at that price I figured it was too good to be true. "It overheats, and I don't know why". Considering his father rebuilds BMWs, I think he probably knew why, and I'm having enough headache with my Supra right now...

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

My roomate in college had a '76 (?) 2002 tii with the fuel injection. I used to go to a friend's house ~10 miles from my house in my '78 Corolla

1200, and there was one corner where 45 MPH was pushing it.

I took it at 75 in the 2002...

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

LOL! That's for sure! It is just such a *GREAT* looking car.

The college roomate that had the 2002, his father had the 3.0

I also liked the er...625? 628? the 2 door coupe that was based on the 3.0.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

So the reputation of Volvos being indestructible doesn't extend to the one model I'd actually want to own? That's a shame. It shares front shocks with a Studebaker (really!) too...

I'd have passed as well, once you get into engine work things can get expensive on a P-car. Although I did solve an overheating issue with my ninefofo simply by replacing the radiator, so sometimes you get lucky.

nate

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Nate Nagel

Ah, yes, the 633/635. I like those too, but still thinks the 3.0 was the best looking car BMW ever made.

nate

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Nate Nagel

In message , Scott Dorsey writes

Here, (UK) you can very often save money on any German electrical part by going straight to a general motor factor and by Bosch at about 1/3 of the price.

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Clive

That's a _good_ thing when the cop pulls you over.

--scott

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Scott Dorsey

Possibly, but despite being a gearhead at heart, I'm also a little bit of an aesthete... if I had the money, I'd probably be driving a 60's Ferrari or Aston Martin to work every day. Or maybe a Miura...

nate

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N8N

Does any country build any simple cars anymore? Simple as in 1960 or

1962 Ford Falcon cars. cuhulin
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cuhulin

yes, but they can't legally be sold in the US.

Closest I can think of would be a new Lotus Elise or something like that, but even those have a lot of mandated gadgets that 60's cars didn't.

nate

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N8N

I don't think there is a much better looking car than an A-M like BOnd. James Bond used to drive.

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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

I can't believe I'm going to say this...

1964 Chevy II Nova with the 6 cylinder.
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

hah. I actually had a car that would fit this description and sold it. '62 Studebaker Lark Daytona, 289, 4-speed.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with it, either. I think the guy that bought it from me had an issue with the carb getting gunked up so he had the gas tank boiled and sealed, that's it. It just had 24K original miles and I wanted something to cut up and play with.

nate

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Nate Nagel

It's a nice looking car and it's not a bad car to drive... but if you think the MG is flaky, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet until you have worked on an A-M.

--scott

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Scott Dorsey

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