Re: Where can we get statistics of which BIKES pass the California DMV riding test?

Picking statements apart to find errors and avoid agreeing with other users is what rec.motorcycles is all about, it's what these people

Idiot, there's no such things as a family lineage that hasn't featured a percentage of gays; and that includes *your* lineage.

Yes, even your fictional one.

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? The point was the "realism," per se, is IRRELEVANT.

Bob M.

His words say otherwise ...

My buddies are just like you. :)

They all told me to forget about it. They said the system is rigged. They all said don't even try to change it or get around it. Just do it. They all told me to just pay the $250 for the guaranteed license. They joked it was a bribe to the MSF to let you ride on the road.

Some told me to just consider it a $250 license fee, only you pay the MSF instead of paying the DMV. So what, they all said.

While you, and they, didn't care, I'll bet some of the 10,000 California riders a year who are forced to pay $250 for a license might care.

So I'm curious, Joe. What would you consider a reasonable demonstration of competency which would prove that someone was qualified to hold a motorcycle license ?

God knows, there are enough bad riders out there already. What can we do to improve this situation ?

I sure don't think the figure eight you described taking back east is much of a test.

Let's hear your thoughts on how you think you should have been tested.

This is America. In America, driving is a right, not a privilege. Just because a person has no ability to operate a vehicle safely is no longer a reason not to give him a driver's license.

In America, everybody has to drive everywhere, even across the street, so issuing drivers' licenses to everyone is critical.

So complaining about the test is futile; the test isn't designed to eliminate incompetent drivers. If it were, there wouldn't be so many incompetent drivers on the road.

--scott

Would you like to point out where any words I've said about how the CMSP or MSF operate indicate in any way that I don't know what I'm talking about?

How about you backing up your own words that say that the MSF collects $200 or more for every rider who takes a CMSP rider course?

Sheesh. Your obsession has blinded you to the simple facts.

Six years of obsession for $200 or $250. Seems like you've certainly gotten your money's worth.

Oh bullshit.

Your many many many words posted over a very very very long time say you're obsessed with trying to get back at someone -nay, *anyone*- because you failed that "impossible" DMV keyhole test that various others here breezed right through.

You've lied repeatedly about the test's dificulty, you've lied repeatedly about the test's provisions being a "secret", you've lied repeatedly about how it's illegal to practise the keyhole test in advance, you've lied repeatedly about how it's "impossible" to pass the test on a large bike, and you even lied about how you can't see the painted white lines on the ground -which is hysterically funny since all anyone has to do is look *downwards* a bit to see them. Lastly, you've claimed that anyone in this forum who says they passed the test in the first couple of tries is lying about it. Taken in toto, these are the signs of a mind that simply can't deal with reality.

And then you think that anyone is going to agree that Tim doesn't know what he's talking about and that you -the liar- *do*?

Good one, fruit-loop!

Very simple.

The exact test that the MSF provides (starting, stopping, cornering, braking, shifting, swerving, u-turn box, etc.).

But with grading of ZERO errors (just like the DMV test).

I'd also allow THREE tries (no more than one per day) ... again ... just like the DMV test.

The only thing else I'd change is I'd limit the price the MSF charges to only 150% the national average for a MSF class. The current 250% price increase in California is gouging that can only sustain itself because there is no other viable alternative.

What do you think of my simple logical fair solution?

There are better performers here on the buck-per-moment of obsession ratio.

Sure! But this fruitcake is obsessed with something that's at least distantly motorcycle-related.

Unless I've missed it on the news, nobody ever rammed a motorcycle into the World Trade Center.

Well, no. :-)

Except the MSF isn't charging California student riders to take the course, the California Motorcyclist Safety Program, administered by the California Highway Patrol, charges California student riders to take the course. The money goes to the state of California to cover the costs of administering the classes.

That's a simple, logical, fact that your obsession apparently prevents you from comprehending.

If you want this changed, take it up with the California state representative(s).

"Rob Kleinschmidt" wrote

I ain't Joe but I'll venture an opinion. A buddy taught me the basics circa

Tests? In 1966 I bought a new BSA Spitfire - the hard-to-ride one with hot cams and GP pattern Amals that lack idle circuits. Having moved to Maryland I had to take a riding test. I had no MC license (My Ca. license had been good for both) so the clerk wrote '0' in the 'experience' box and sent me out give a motor cop for a ride. The look on his face when he saw the goose-egg and the snorting BSA was priceless. He had me do a couple '8s' in the lot and signed me off. Not much of an exam. I could have passed it before learning by crashing a lot. That's the last test I had to take. Any competence I have beyond that is coincidental - and earned the hard way.

OTOH I have seen several people become reasonably competent riders after taking MSF classes.

These experiences make me a big believer in the MSF classes. I think they should be required for all newbies. Would have saved me mucho road rash and bruises.

(Elwood Blues mode ON)

"That's a lot of entertainment...for just $250..."

(Elwood Blues mode OFF)

Bob M.

You missed it. Elbonian terrorists, who attempted to ram Tower 2 in

According to Henry, they were working for the Bush I administration, but had not received the memo informing them that Clinton was now in office.

Two quick-thinking security guards averted certain disaster by simply opening doors on either side of the lobby and just letting them buzz on through...

Bob M.

Elbonians = Mossad, you know.