Rotors made in China

Shut up shut up shut up! Is not is not is not! Chinese rotors are fine! I know because I've put them on my own truck and I'm still alive! You can't prove they're junk! It's just brakes, there's nothing wrong with buying cheap parts! Shut up shut up I can't hear you LA LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you!

--Pater

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Daniel J. Stern
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The steel in the titanic was manufactured in the 1800's without proper understanding of effects that temperature has on performance of said steel. I think the world has evolved in technology a wee bit since then. Mabee if my rotors contain too much sulpher it's because they are made in china where fireworks were invented & some spilled over form the gunpowder factory next door to the rotor plant & the next time I hit my brakes I'm gonna explode both fronts & have a horrible accinent & may even die. Oh no, I'm off to buy some "real" ones right now, lest I risk life & limb. This is getting old, seeya, D.S. is too fkn smart for me.

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pater

Good point. That's entirely different from the situation in China right now: They more-or-less know the effects, but they also know that inferior iron costs less.

Reply to
Daniel J. Stern

Exactly. They were brittle, of poor quality. Steel and cast iron are chemically rather similar, but the small amounts of impurities make all the difference. Sulfur is bad. Hardness and brittlenesss often go hand in hand.

Reply to
<HLS

The Titanic was begun in 1908, and went down in 1912. The steel could have been made in the 1800's, I guess.

Like DRL's, the pro's and con's are bandied about, but it has been suggested that the steel could have been a part of the problem. The engineering was certainly not as God resistant as the Brits had thought. And pisspoor organization and leadership rounded out this nightmare in the making.

So whether you feel you risk your life in an ocean liner, on Chinese rotors, or in the US space shuttle, materials, techniques, quality control, engineering, and management all play a part.

You are just as dead if somebody screws up.

And I think that that is what Daniel, I, and others want to avoid as long as we can.

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<HLS

How often do you magnaflux all your front end parts? Do you have a driveshaft loop? Do you wear a helmet while driving? None of those??? Yet you worry about Chinese rotors, an item for which not a single person can produce a single documented case where the "poor quality Chinese rotor" was the primary cause of an accident.

Reply to
Ashton Crusher

Personally I just don't want to encourage people to produce inferior goods, even if they're "probably" not dangerous. It's the principle of the thing.

nate

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Nate Nagel

snipped-for-privacy@nospam.nix wrote:. The engineering was

I fail to see how one can call a box watertight when it has no cover :-)

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Don Stauffer

How often do you magnaflux all your front end parts? Do you have a driveshaft loop? Do you wear a helmet while driving? None of those??? Yet you worry about Chinese rotors, an item for which not a single person can produce a single documented case where the "poor quality Chinese rotor" was the primary cause of an accident. Thank you very much, crusher man, seems I ain't got a hammer big enough to crack some of these thick skulls on here.

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pater

I don't; but I am in the middle of doing a very thorough inspection and repair of the front end on one of my cars right now. I don't consider magnafluxing necessary for stamped steel control arms; now on the Porsche, were I replacing the lower ball joints, I would definitely have the (aluminum) control arms checked somehow.

No, but I am considering adding one to the same car mentioned above. I also just replaced both U-joints.

No, I consider the reduction in vision and hearing to be a greater risk than that of me being in a crash where a helmet could be helpful.

However, it can certainly cause you to revisit a brake job well before any of the other components would normally be due for replacement due to abnormal wear, warping, etc.

Whatever. I still ain't buying them; if you choose to that's your prerogative.

nate

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Nate Nagel

Pater, nobody cares if you use case hardened latex brake rotors. It is your call. Same to Ashton Crusher. Do what makes you happy.

Do either of you have vested interests in buying, selling, or promoting these parts?

Reply to
<HLS

One of the car mags did an interesting analysis of this very issue a few years ago. They found that the average WEIGHT of what "we" buy has not changed appreciably in all these years. As you said, people just switched from CAFEed cars to Non-CAFEed Trucks and SUVs. It seems we like to buy our autos by the pound.

Reply to
Ashton Crusher

Yet no one can document that they are "inferior", only that they cost less.

Reply to
Ashton Crusher

Bullshit. If you haven't seen any documentation, you haven't been paying attention. Heck, I've seen people post to this very newsgroup with "why do my brand new rotors still pulsate" etc.

nate

Reply to
Nate Nagel

People post the same complaint about brand new cars. Proves nothing about whether the Chinese rotors are better or worse then the OEM. And people only post complaints anyway. You aren't going to see a lot of posts about all the Chinese rotor installations that didn't pulsate and you can be sure there are plenty of them since they sell a lot of rotors. None of the Chinese rotors I've installed has pulsated and they have all lasted about the same as the OEMs they replaced.

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Ashton Crusher

You're wrong. Dan's right. And that's a fact. Not just based on my statement but read about it plenty on the internet. I do have first hand knowledge as my brother in law has worked with the chinese since they allowed us to start importing their goods. And we bought a chinese tractor (Jinma) that is made in the same low quality, low cost, inconsistent factories as all the others. If you read about the Chinese made GM/Chevy Equinox you'll see that they rely on 1 worker to build and 1 other worker to ensure a quality job. It takes 2 people to replace one in the US or Japan. The chinese are KNOWN for cutting corners and will if you close your eyes for even a second. Contracts ? Phooey . They don't care. Look at their lawsuit system in the country. It's a joke. You have no idea and have never been exposed to anything like this. They make Russia look good.

Steve m.. (with Ch>> >

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Steve m...

And what do they say about bridges that were made with steel from the 1800's ? Care to guess ? Yep, same comments. Too brittle they need to be replaced. But they did stand for all those years. Must've been pretty decent.

Steve m..

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Steve m...

And here's another fact: Strauss is welcome to his little assumption regarding my experience (or lack thereof, in his mind) with Chinese industrial processes including quality control and verification. He went in my killfile quite awhile ago.

DS

Reply to
Daniel J. Stern

And what is your experience? Ever even been to China? Eat Chinese food? Buy OEM Toyota parts? Or, did you read it on the internet?

Reply to
Edward Strauss

Hmm, happy with your Chinese rotors... You read it on the Internet? Hell, just wait a few more years or go into a store now. About the Jinma tractor you wanted a low cost tractor and you got one. Or, did you think you could you could get something for nothing?

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Edward Strauss

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