wheel alignment & tyre wear

Hi,

I've got a 2002 Audi S3 with 16K miles on the clock.

10 months back I hit a pothole and had to change a front tyre (big bulge), I had to change both front tyres as the very inside edges of both were very badly worn after only 8K miles. I took the car to a local specialist who tested and said front wheel alignment was fine and suggested that tyre pressures or power steering combined with lots of tight slow speed turning could be the problem. I don't do lots of slow speed tight turning but I admit to having not regularly checked the pressures. Since then, I have been festidious about checking pressures but since hitting another pothole and getting another nice bulge, I have had to change both tyres exactly as before.

The specialist has suggested a 4 wheel base geometry check/fix at £100 but I am unconvinced this will help as I would have thought if the front/back alignment was not correct then I would see different wear patterns - not inside edges.

Anyone got any good advice?.

Other pertinent info - I mainly drive conservatively with no passengers and with only the occasional bit of fun. The car veers very slightly to the left but this may just be due to the road camber. I also occasionally notice a very slight shaking/low frequency bass noise coming from the front particularly when I am coasting downhill at moderate speeds. Tyres have always been the standard Bridgestone RE040's. Wear on the rear tyres is normal and these were changed at

16K which seems OK to me.

Thanks,

Alan.

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Alan Campbell
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You have serious alignment issues in my mind.

16K on a set of tires? Holy crap! I have 16K on my new tires and they still look like new, seriously.

I would recommend you find a new garage and mechanic, your 'specialist' is only specializing in taking your money.

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Alan Campbell wrote:

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Mike Romain

When you take into account what the S3 is, and that the tires in question have a treadwear rating of only 140, getting 16k miles doesn't seem horrible.

I'm wondering if that because of the nature of the S3 that the alignment specs might cause inner edge wear even with the alignment set to nominal.. can you get a copy of what the specs are supposed to be, and what they are?

regards,

Jim

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Jim

I agree with Mike!

You have severe negative front camber, and if it were related to the rear being out, most likely toed out or toed in. You would see tread feathering, on the inside or outside of the front tire tread.

Obviously, I don't have a manual for your vehicle, so I don't know if it is of a strut or double wishbone configuration. With another problem, some cars are built "non adjustable for caster and camber" so it would require correction kits, which are made for most cars in the US.

I don't know if UK law allows such kits being installed, in the case of no kits available in my shop. Till last month when I sold my building, I had a lathe and both a horizontal and vertical milling machine, with the drill presses heavy duty and standard duty. With my close relationship with Stemf products and Specialty Products. I would make a prototype for the car that needed correction, then send them off a copy, they would make the full array of adjustments and send me a nice sized check.

But I can't help you unfortunately, but find a shop that doesn't do as we call it in America: "A Toe N Go" Just setting the toe in and charging for a full alignment.

Refinish King

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Refinish King

Hi,

Thanks for the replies.

Refinish King - are you saying that it is feasible that the front tyre inside edge wear (I'm not sure what feathering is) could be caused by the rear being out?.

the S3 is 4 wheel drive and has the following suspension -

Front - McPherson strut suspension with lower triangulated wishbones, sub-frame, anti-roll bar Rear - Trailing arm and double wishbone at rear, sub-frame, anti-roll bar, gas-pressure shock absorbers

The guy who did the front wheel alignment has a good reputation locally. He does race cars so should know what he is talking about.

Alan.

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Alan Campbell

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some decent pictures of different tire wear patterns.
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alignment adjustments. Even though it is for OTR trucks the sameitems still apply on your truck. The bottom picture is what RK was talking about. If the rear end is nottracking the front end exactly your truck will "dog track". Basicallyinstead of it going down the road straight it goes slightly sideways, itdoesn't take much to mess up the tires.

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Steve W.

I would suggest talking to others with the same car.. as you mentioned, 16k miles isn't bad for a turbocharged 225hp AWD sports car with 140 tread rated tires.

In the quick search I did, I did find at least one other person experiencing inner edge wear with the S3. They had the alignment checked with no problems found. Could be related to tire pressure..

let us know what you find out.

I wish they had the S3 here in the US.. that's one sweet car.

Regards,

Jim

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Jim

thanks all for your help & info.

I'm still not sure what I will do, but when I decide, I will let you know how I get on.

I can't wait until the car goes out of warranty as although it is, as you say, one sweet car, the handling could be improved - it is only really superb with 4 people in the car. Everyone agrees that things can be improved significantly with a few relatively simple mods. It begs the question why Audi didn't get it right first time.

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Alan Campbell

Different strokes for different folks.. Audi had to go with what they figured most people wanted (in their particular subset).

Would things like suspension mods invalidate your warranty in the UK (or wherever you are)?

Regards,

Jim

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Jim

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