Opinions and/or experience with Autozone Airtex fuel pump for '89 Toyota?

The reason is because corporate suits think engineering and manufacturing are fungible commodities. They don't value it and they see a bigger bonus for themselves by moving manufacturing to china. To them it's all the same but X costs less than Y. Not to mention that the economic central planners have done everything to favor that action from currencies to taxes as well. The reason for has nothing to do with free market and everything to do with unfree market, politics and other meddling combined with the typical fundamental ignorance and personality traits of who rises to the top in political systems such as governments and large corporations.

Are we talking corporate suits here or everyday people? Seems like you've switched back to people who have to be more concerned with having to pay the rent than buying the best made stuff. In that case, look to the devaluation of the US dollar and other economic manipulations from central planning. It's cheap crap that is currently holding people's standard of living together. Sure they may end up spending more in the long run, but they don't have the capital now to buy for the long run. You're not going to find many people driving the lowest priced Kia model because they are just buying on price but could afford to buy a new Lincoln.

The free market demands both, high quality at a low price. There are people who accept more low price than high quality, there are some who demand more high quality than low price. But those are individual decisions made on a case by case basis. When a giant sucking sound in one direction appears or some sort of bubble it means some great force is distorting the market.

As to cheap crap and regulation, when government steps in with regulation, then what is above and below the standard often becomes forbidden. The FDA does that time and time again, and when it's not forbidden to exceed the standards it's often forbidden to use that as a selling point. It is a great way to protect politically favored companies from new upstarts that want to make a better mouse trap. Example? Want to make safe raw milk? It can be done, but it's expensive. Some people will pay that premium. Guess what? It's illegal. Want to test every cow for mad cow for premium beef? That's illegal too, must follow the standard to the letter, no better, no worse.

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Brent
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well, there's two reasons i think. first, people want stuff cheap, and china understands that western psychology and exploits that by selling below cost in many cases for their own military/strategic reasons, not economic.

the other is our own fault - american manufacturers don't want to make a mere profit, they want to make an absolute killing. example: 60-odd years ago, the "bic" ballpoint pen hit the market - from argentina of all places. unlike its american counterparts that were selling for $10+ dollars a piece, a LOT of money at that time, bic sold theirs for cents. they controlled manufacture, they controlled costs, and they undercut everybody else. by huge margins. and they never tried to make a killing, just a good healthy profit. here we are all these decades later, and bic is still just about the largest and most ubiquitous global producer, and all gloss and marketing aside, still make the best. and you've never even heard of those "get rich quick" domestics.

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jim beam

On 12/16/2010 5:51 AM, Brent wrote

How do you think the housing is made?

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dsi1

I'm not sure from the photographs. Some of it looks machined while other areas don't. right now, without having one in my hand I would say it's blanked close to the final dimensions with one sort of casting operation or another and then machined. the steps on the inside, the close up photos look like it was milled given the fillet at the root of each step and the sharp corner at the top. I would expect those steps to have fillets top and bottom if they were as-cast. It was clearly then put through some kind of finishing operation to give it that texture and color. The outside surface however would be very costly to achieve through machining alone to achieve that curvature and surface finish before the final texturing/finishing.

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Brent

I would stay away from Airtex branded anything just based on my experiences with their aftermarket mechanical fuel pumps. They *all* leak, and one scared the hell out of me once...

~wavy lines~

I was putting together my '55 Studebaker after a motor swap to a high- compression 289; I needed a fuel pump to get it running. Friend of mine had an aftermarket Airtex pump intended for a '57 Golden Hawk sitting on the shelf. I borrowed it until I could manage to rebuild a real R1 pump for myself just to see how the car drove. Since my engine did not have a supercharger I left the boost reference fitting above the diaphragm open. Got about three miles down the road and came to a long uphill stretch. Had my foot in it pretty good and all of a sudden all this smoke comes rolling up around the holes in the floor for the pedals, around the shifter, etc. Here the stem seal on the Airtex pump was faulty and there was oil sitting on the back of the diaphragm, and once I started going up hill it sloshed out the boost reference fitting hole, and right onto the driver's side downpipe. Scared the yell out of me, it did.

I rebuilt a factory Carter R1 pump and have had no issues since.

Have heard from many, many other Studebaker owners of their disdain for Airtex pumps, mostly involving a similar problem and/or leaking of oil around the pivot pin or the pivot pin walking out in use.

Now maybe their replacement parts for more modern vehicles are better, but the uniformly crap quality of the Stude fuel pumps leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Why do you feel you need to replace the fuel pump, anyway? Is it giving any signs of impending failure?

nate

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N8N

A lot of that stuff, and I haven't seen this part so I cannot address this one in particular, is die-cast and _then machined_.

This is cheaper than machining out of billet because there is less waste, but gives you machined precision. However, it limits your material characteristics somewhat.

--scott

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Scott Dorsey

Thanks for the info. I can't say if there's a coating on it or not or how the finish surface is achieved. The edges feel as if there's no coating nor are there any wearing through of the coating. The home button on the glass surface is so well integrated that it seems to be one piece although that's not possible. I have seen this on other plastic pieces before - the material is so stable and the clearances so small that the seams are invisible. Beautiful stuff.

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dsi1

You could be right about this - it does seem more sensible. :-)

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dsi1

It doesn't look like coating, more of a tumbling or blasting type process.

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Brent

Really? The gov't doesn't require a warranty. In the old days, the warranties were 12,000 mi or 1 year, and only gradually went up.

Jeff

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dr_jeff

Toyota fuel pumps rarely fail. Leave the fuel pump alone, check the spark plugs, high tension wires, ATF, brakes, tires, battery, etc. instead.

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Ray O

"Ray O" wrote in news:ieeq9k$pm9$ snipped-for-privacy@news.eternal-september.org:

Which is pretty much what I told him. Along with accessory drive belts (one of which drives the water pump), rad hoses, and other important stuff.

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Tegger

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