Plan on driving a new car on a 3000mile highway trip. Bad idea?

OK. Good for you.

For years Toyota recommended 7,500 mile oil changes.

Have a look on Toyota.com and see what's recommended.

And I listen to experts and Service managers. Who know I change my own oil.

Let's add something else. On the 10,000 mile service for my last new car, the S.M. had them drill points on the suspension and add Zerk fittings. Tha factory said the suspension was lubed for the life of the car. Why do you suppose the S.M. did that, at no charge?

Hmmmm...when have I been 'caught'?

Who, other thatn you, says it's bad to change the oil after 1,500 miles? I've had Service Managers tell me to do this. I think someone who works for the dealership knows better than someone who names himself after whiskey...

"I was once told informally by an oil company chemist that when the catalyst which allows an oil to be multi weighted starts to break down, it turns acidic and causes tarnish and other naughty things."

"A good lubricant must reduce particulate wear from the interaction of metal-metal contact

Even the best lubricants degrade over time, as a result of friction and chemical in the additive package reacting with particulate, moisture, heat and oxygen resulting in acidic properties"

" At this point, the oil turns acidic, which is bad for moving parts."

"Spring Starting Step 1 Change oil but not the filter. (Oil may turn acidic)"

There are plenty more.

Probably. They probably would have benefitted from people just changing the oil in the first place. Most people that had these problems were the people who changed the oil every 12,000 miles whether it needed it or not.

Bull. The only people who had problems were ones who rarely changed the oil. If the maintenance schedule was followed, oil sludging was minimal and at most a flushing was required.

More often, not following any schedule at all.

BUT IT'S WHAT THE MANUAL SAID!!!! ONLY A FOOL WOULD CHANGE OIL MORE OFTEN THAN THE MANUAL SAYS!!!!!

LOL! Gracias! BTW, did I ever mention I have NEVER had sludge in my engines?

Probably. But the number one recommendation to owners worrying about sludging was, "Change the oil regularly, and NO LATER than 7,500 miles."

In rare cases we would flush the engines with BG Flush, and on *really* rare occasions the engine would have to have the head removed.

Why? My Supra is notorious for blowing head gaskets. So, you remove the bolts, replace the gasket and retorque the new bolts to the revised spec. Not a problem.

WHY THE FUCK would I pay for an 'oil analysis' that costs more than CHANGING THE FRIGGING OIL?!?!?!

Dude, you make less sense as you go along!

260,000 miles is 'low mileage'?

Haw, good luck on that. The primary source for all of Mike's information is his rectum.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

Exactly..its sad, but I really expect no different...its only a damn car company, fer krist's sake.

I aint mad at all...I just think its time *you* chilled out with the whole manual thing when someone asks a question or wants to get a discussion going.

Are you asking me or telling me what you think I'm gonna do?

Dude...I will change my Honda's oil when the maintenance minder says so, or about every 5000k...whichever comes first and whatever I feel like doing at the time.

If the MM comes on, I'll change it for sure, and soon too.

If it doesn't, and 6000k is rolling around, then I will most likely change the oil myself "early".

It couldn't be any easier, or more simple.

And I have *no* plans on keeping my '08 Accord for more than 10 years *MAX*.

I'm not a kid and will most certainly purchase another car before I have to worry about getting 200,000 miles on mine.

Well..you can clearly see that the info given to us consumers may not always be correct.

Therein lies the very reason for the "MM" questions folks have.

Do you understand now?

Peace, Polfus

"Jim Yanik" wrote

Won' stop it, but it most definately helps keep it to a minimum.

Pennzoil has a new one that is supposed to *reverse* sludging.

I plan on switching to Mobil 1 as soon as I get thru this first new car factory oil period.

I wonder how much we would save each year in barrels if everyone used synthetic oil?

Peace, Polfus

"Hachiroku ????" wrote

Dude....you got that right.

Heh...no shit.

Peace, Polfus

I used to get a new car every two-three years, not entirely by choice! In 1980 I bought a Corolla SR5 Coupe. I liked it and kept it 6 years and

244,000 miles. It's replacement was the 'hachiroku' (1985 Corolla GTS hatch) Magnificent car. Still in my backyard with 259,000 waiting for the rust work to get done. I have an '05 Scion tC coupe I bought in '06, and I like that car too.

Add to that an '88 Supra with ~200,000 miles I picked up for $600 4 years ago, an '89 Mazda 626 in mint condition for $150, and an '89 Subaru Coupe for winter driving. And I change the oil on all of them at 3,000 miles! The Scion gets ~7,000 miles a year, the Supra ~10,000, the Mazda ~12,000 and the Subaru ~6,000. I change the oil on the Supra and the Subaru when they get parked for the season, then I drain that and put in fresh oil when they come back into service. The Scion gets synthetic every 4,500.

All in all, cheap insurance. I wish I knew what moonbeam has against changing oil.