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>> >> This is an astounding case by any measure.
>> >>
>> >> The mother is a single woman with 6 other children. These 8 new babies >> >> give
>> >> her 14 kids. She was artificially insiminated with 8 new embryos, with >> >> no
>> >> husband in sight and 6 other children that she already has.
>> >>
>> >> What sort of doctor would even take a case where an unmarried woman >> >> with
>> >> 6
>> >> kids wants to be fertilized? Argualby, an unmarried woman with no kids >> >> might
>> >> ask to be fertilized, but there are 6 kids already!
>> >
>> > Go forth and multiply.
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > "It's deja vu all over again"
>> > Yogi Berra
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> The irresponsible are multiplying, the responsible people are apparently >> not.
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>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
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> larrymoe or somebody like him came up with the most lame excuse for it.
> Some babble about fertilizing with eight eggs hoping that one would
> actually become another kid, LOL.....Such liberal dumb thinking indeed.
> These people like larrymoe and jeff are sent to school, and they come
> out with their little pea brains full of such garbage.
Isn't LMC a pediatric nurse, or is that Truckdude? Someone here is a nurse, IIRC.
I'm not saying I ***KNOW*** that implanting many eggs is normal, hoping that one will work.
I'm also not saying that it's NOT NORMAL to do it that way.
I have no idea.
How about you? What's the standard procedure? You claimed it was babble. I mentioned a pediatric nurse because someone like that would be MORE LIKELY to know than you or I, who have no nursing experience.
He's just being an asshole. His comments typically devolve* toward the end of the day when he realizes he shouldn't have jumped into certain conversations.
Not much room to devolve considering where his comments begin, but still....
Steps in the IVF Procedure
1) Fertility drug injections to induce multiple follicular development
Early in the menstrual cycle the woman is given injections of a fertility drug such as Bravelle®, Repronex®, Follistim®, or Gonal-F® to stimulate the ovaries to develop more than one egg. Two to four fertilized eggs are transferred to the uterus to increase the chances of successful pregnancy. Fertilization and transfer of more than one egg increases the likelihood of successful pregnancy; at the same time, it increases the chance of twinning and other multiple pregnancies. However, in most instances, only one egg implants and develops. If more than four eggs are fertilized, the rest of the eggs are frozen and preserved for transfer in subsequent cycles. `````````````````````````````````````````````````
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In Vitro Fertilization In vitro fertilization is the preferred or most common infertility treatment used when the fallopian tubes are severely damaged or absent, and for unexplained or male factor infertility. Due to its high success rates, in recent years, IVF is increasingly used as a first line of therapy for all causes of infertility.
The following steps are taken when performing in vitro fertilization:
a.. The ovaries are stimulated to produce multiple egg-containing follicles. b.. Progression of follicular development is followed by evaluating hormone levels and performing ultrasounds at the appropriate times. c.. A transvaginal ultrasound guides the retrieval of the eggs. d.. The recovered eggs are immediately transferred to the laboratory where they are cultured and fertilized. e.. On a predetermined date, the developing preembryos are inserted into the uterus. These procedures involve a variety of carefully choreographed procedures to insure the best success. The procedure itself, including the laboratory work, is performed in Penn Fertility Care's central state-of-the-art facility.
Step 5: The embryos are usually transferred into the woman's uterus anywhere from one to six days later, but most commonly it occurs between two to three days following egg retrieval. At this point, the fertilized egg has divided to become a two-to-four cell embryo. The transfer process involves a speculum which is inserted into the vagina to expose the cervix. A predetermined number of embryos are suspended in fluid and gently placed through a catheter into the womb. This process is often guided by ultrasound. The procedure is usually painless, but some women experience mild cramping.
These steps are followed by rest and watching for early pregnancy symptoms. A blood test and potentially an ultrasound will be used to determine if implantation and pregnancy has occurred.
How successful is in vitro fertilization? The success rate of IVF clinics depends on a number of factors including patient characteristics and treatment approaches. It is also important to realize that pregnancy rates do not equate to live birth rates. In the United States, the live birth rate for each IVF cycle started is approximately:
a.. 30 to 35% for women under age 35 b.. 25% for women ages 35 to 37 c.. 15 to 20% for women ages 38 to 40 d.. 6 to 10% for women ages over 40
Note the caption under the top photo (25% success rate per menstrual cycle - tallies with above for ages 35 - 37), & that single transfers were announced as a potential *new* goal in the UK in '08.
Granted, I'm female & may therefore be more aware of aspects of the topic, but... isn't this sort of thing - that more than one egg is introduced into the uterus to help the odds of a successful pregnancy occurring - a generally well-known fact?? It's often discussed on health news.
I didn't know they did that. But, I didn't need to. All one needs to do is consider all the ways nature increases the odds of reproduction. It's not much of a leap to figure that researchers & doctors would try to emulate that same pattern.
She found it necessary to produce one, which I disagree with, just like you.
She did ***NOT*** find it necessary to produce eight. As Cathy's information clearly explained, it is a normal part of the procedure to introduce multiple embryos.
Is it a normal part of the specialist's job to make ethical decisions? I don't know. Do you?
BTW - she didn't find it necessary to produce 8 - most implanted fertilized eggs don't make it - they don't implant & thrive. Hence the practice of introducing multiple eggs for each "try"/cycle.
Jeez - this thread only underlines a part of the reason why it's a problem for many women that men tend to make the laws/decisions about reproduction/women's bodies.
My response stands. Darwinism may or may not explain why some people are infertile. It may be due to man-made factors such as toxins, etc. No reason not to try and have kids.
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