Ford, GM, and Dodge ndid not 'have' to hand over engines for Toyota to
study. They bought a bunch of them and used the info to develop their own.
They'll do well just like in F1. And I'm sure they will also have the
biggest budget, just like in F1.
Do you also believe the "Camry" they might eventually enter in the race
is 100% stock - just like the one you buy? If so, I have a bridge to
sell you. The vehicle that will be entered will probably have a carbon
fiber shell that remotely resembles a Camry. The same goes for the other
companies. The claims made by the companies are that "ideas" and
"concepts" are tested in the race car. Some of these "ideas" and
"concepts" will eventually make there way into the car you can buy from
the showroom. There is a racing class called "showroom stock", which is
why Porsche sold a car without carpeting, AC, rear seats, radio, glass
side windows, etc - just so they could call it "showroom stock" for the
purposes of entering it in that category. If Toyota chose to do the
same thing with a Supra like car, that might be worth looking at :-)
No, I don't. It will be just like the Fords, Chevys, Dodges -- a
manufacturer's shell with completely modified equipment underneath.
You seem to have missed the point of my question. I was wondering
about the engine design, entry date, drivers, teams, etc.
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the
support of Paul." ~ George Bernard Shaw
Here is an update I found:
UPDATE 3: Toyota will move into NASCAR's Nextel Cup and Busch Series
beginning in 2007, becoming the first foreign manufacturer to compete
in the top racing series since Jaguar in the 1950's. The announcement
is expected Monday in a news conference at NASCAR in Concord, N.C.,
according to a person with knowledge of the announcement who was
granted anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss it. Toyota
will join the American brands Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge in the top two
levels of competition. Toyota has competed in the NASCAR Craftsman
Truck Series since 2004, ending a long-held rule by NASCAR that only
American-based manufacturers could compete in its events. Toyota has
paid to align itself with elite teams and drivers in the Truck series.
There has been widespread speculation that Honda will follow Toyota
into NASCAR.( New York Times)(1-20-2006)
And if they want to do it right, they'll build their own engines
rather than running something derived from a Chevy block like everyone
else - wouldn't that be a kick in the ass?
The Fords and Dodges are running a Chevy based engine IIRC - insane.
The chassis are all custom tube affairs, transmissions and axles
purpose- built, the bodies are thin fiberglass with the headlights and
taillights only printed stickers on top...
Remember when NASCAR was still pure Stock Car Racing? As in, what
they were running on the track was basically the same car they sold in
the showrooms? Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday. Which was supposed to
channel all the 'innovations' made on the track into the showroom, or
they couldn't use them...
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
Interesting idea! The cars and track would have to be built like slot cars
to improve the chances that the cars travelled in the correct direction.
Since the cars would have to ride in a slot, it wouldn't need a driver on
board so it would be like a full-size slot car race - the drivers sit on
stools in an air-conditioned room, squeezing the throttle trigger and
pretending like they are really controlling the car ;-)
Actually the manufacture had to sell at least 5,000 cars like those they
wanted to run as 'stock' One of my friends bought one of those 'stock'
Plymouths, for way under invoice at the time. I forget the name but it had
the long nose and the high wing He has since become a collector of the
breed. He owns around a half dozen and his cars have been featured is
several buff mags in recent years.
I had a boss who had one as a demo when he worked for Chrysler. He said
that he always late when he drove that car because he was either A) stopped
for speeding; B) stopped because the cop figured he was speeding driving a
car like that; C) or stropped becuse the cop was a car enthusiast and wanted
to check out the car.
IMO, a Shelby Cobra was a better looking "supercar" from that era ;-)
I've never been in either the Dodge or the Plymouth versions of this
car, but I do recall looking over the street versions when they were
new. As for whether the aerodynamics worked, I recall reading somewhere
that the nose on the street car would probably generate lift, because
the street car's front end was too high and air would go under it and
help lift the front end, which is just what you wouldn't want.
On the track, it was a different story, because the cars were lower at
the front, so the car had more of a wedge profile. I also recall that
the front grille on the street cars was wire mesh, which looked
primitive on a street car from the factory. Also, the street cars
seemed huge, even back in that era when many American cars were very
Richard Petty drove a SuperBird in NASCAR, IIRC.
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