transmission oil change / gasket adventure

Changed the engine oil today, and this time decided to go ahead and change the tranny oil and tranny pan gasket. About a year ago I'd bought a package from Pep Boys that had the tranny pan gasket and also tranny a strainer, because the last time I went to the dealership they said I needed a new tranny pan gasket.

Draining the tranny oil, no big deal, just had to use a plumber's wrench to assist in rotating the 10mm Allen wrench. It was on tight.

Removed the tranny pan, and boy did I make a mess on my driveway, even with the papers there, I hadn't realized there would be that much oil - it didn't all neatly drain into my oil collection pan.

Sprayed carburetor cleaner on the inside of the tranny pan to clean it, and used a baby-wipe to clean the magnets. Then used some Dexron-III (from Wal-Mart, yay!) to rinse the inside of the tranny pan again.

Removed the old gasket. My Haynes manual said to "carefully" remove it, wasn't sure what that meant, since I'd also read warnings that even a stray bit of cloth lint could ruin a transmission. Settled for using a flathead screwdriver to remove/scrape away old gasket, re-spraying with more carburetor cleaner, and more Dexron-III for final rinse. Also picked up with my fingers any stray tiny bits of cloth lint.

Also removed the tranny strainer and put in the Pep Boys strainer. Probably wasn't the best idea, since the Pep Boys strainer said "Made in Vietnam", but hey, the old one was 10 years old, plus it was pretty easy to remove. Kept the old one in a plastic bag, just in case I need it later.

And now for the major "Oh F$@&" moment. My new tranny gasket was a bit warped, the result of being stuffed into a box from Pep Boys. Trying to put the gasket on, and then put it and the tranny pan back onto the car, was a nightmare. The screws holding the gasket in position kept falling out. Move one screw, another would fall out. Major panic set in. How am I going to get the tranny pan back on, with the gasket correctly in place? Thought, maybe some grease would hold it in place. No luck - no grease.

Thought, "what would MacGyver do?" (my childhood hero.) Then I had an idea. I had a box of 4" nails, some duct tape, and scissors. I cut about 4-5 inches of duct tape, cut it with the scissors to reduce the width by half, and wrapped the sharp end of each of four nails with the duct tape. Used the four newly-fattened nails to hold the gasket in place at strategic screw hole locations, then put the pan back onto the transmission. It worked. Whew!

The only other major source of excitement was trying to get 2 qts of Wal-Mart Dexron-III into the fill hole. I found it helps *a lot* to first pour the Dexron from the gallon jug into a pint-sized water bottle. (First, to make sure the bottle was clean, I poured some Dexron-III into the water bottle, shook, and discarded this rinse into my oil waste container.)

Apart from that, it was just a matter of trial-and-error in measuring the oil: whoops, too much, drained some out. Whoops, drained too much out, add some more. More. More. More. Got it. Drove around a bit, car feels a bit smoother.

Anyway. That's my tranny oil/gasket change adventure, maybe the stuff I learned can help somebody else out.

Reply to
onehappymadman
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Well congrats on getting it done. Two things that may help the next time around would be a can of GasketTack and a trans funnel. The GasketTack (don't know where it came from, its been in my toolbox since before I can remember. I think I inherited it from the guy who worked in my bay before me) is this red crap that helps gaskets stick to the sealing surface during installation, and it's made by Wynns, I think. I use it exclusively on transmission pan gakets because they are a pain even when you have the car on a lift over your head. You can also get a transmission funnel specifically made to fit in the dipstick. Makes life real easy.

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qslim

I was wondering how they do it in the shops... I thought they used a variation on my nail technique to support the gasket. GastetTack, huh. That also answers my question about whether one should oil the gasket too, like you do on the oil filter gasket, before attaching. I went ahead and oiled my gasket prior to attaching - my fingers were already soaking in Dexron III, I thought, might as well.

Only 20,000 miles since last (BrakeMasters) tranny flush, but the old liquid was brown. New stuff was red. ???

Like someone said on this group awhile back, Wal-Mart Dexron III might not be the best, but it's gotta be better than the old stuff sitting in the tranny...

Say, regular draining of tranny fluid only gets out 1/3 of the fluid, right? Would it be better to change tranny fluid say, every other engine oil change, to "flush"?

Reply to
onehappymadman

Hindsight indicates that you'd been better off going to the dealer.

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Reply to
Sharx35

How so? Learned how to do something new, car drives just fine. Tested it out on the freeway even.

Reply to
onehappymadman

How many HOURS did you spend do all that stuff? Those of us with LIVES have other things to do.

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Reply to
Sharx35

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Reply to
karinhall

Three hours total, including the main engine oil change. Done on a Sunday, with nothing else to do.

Maybe when I'm rich like you, I'll take the car to the dealer for everything from a car wash to oil change.

Reply to
onehappymadman

Congrats on your adventure, love the MacGuyer comment. I have to ask, what year is your Camry? Did it call for Dexron-III or Toyota Type-IV?

Reply to
Curtis Newton

I've got a 96 Camry, calls for Dexron-II, but that doesn't exist anymore. So, Dexron-III.

This Saturday, now that I know how, I'll change my dad's tranny oil (but I'll stay away from the gasket for now). He's got a 2001 Camry,

30,000 miles, never changed the tranny oil. I had him check his manual

- he needs Dexron also. I'll pick up another jug of it at Wal-Mart.

Reply to
onehappymadman

NOTHING else to do? What about a leisurely afternoon of sex with whatever partner you have? What about a walk in the park? What about, hell even a ROOT CANAL sounds better than dicking around under the car!!!!

Reply to
Sharx35

Well, did you not service the differential at all? Most people forget it until it dies.

Reply to
Rob

Actually I did about 6 months ago. Took it to Pep Boys - just could not get that nut off, no matter how hard I tried. They only charged $30 to do it, a bargain...

Say, about that gasket between the diff and tranny... about how often should that be replaced?

Reply to
onehappymadman

Indeed, it can be a real bitch, getting one's nut off.

Reply to
Sharx35

Say, about that gasket between the diff and tranny... about how often should that be replaced?

What gasket???

Reply to
Rob

Sorry, seal.

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Reply to
onehappymadman

Next time try tying the gasket to the pan with a bit of fine sewing thread thru as many mounting holes as necessary. The thread may be left in place without affecting the seal or making the gasket harder to remove next time, like glue will.

JustDave

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JustDave

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Sorry, seal.

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Sounds like this person may be talking of the older Toyotas that used different fluids in the trans and diff.

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One mention of that seal 5 years ago...I cant find any reference to it in my Haynes manual. Even if it did exist you could not change it yourself. I see 3 seals in my book speedometer and both axles. He talks about pressures in the trans...why then does the V6 camry have an open passage between the trans and diff where fluid is shared by both? I would forget about it. BTW there is a lot more fluid in the trans than you got out. The torque converter is full of it, the cooling lines and the cooler in the radiator has fluid in it too. You maybe got 1/3 of it out. every second fluid change my mechanic will open a hose to the trans and let it pump out its fluid while idling as he pours more in thru the fill tube. Gets all the old fluid out and you can see when it turns bright red it has been changed fully.

Reply to
Rob

Even synthetic fluid gets dark after 10,000 miles. I wouldn't leave it in there and would drain and refill every 7500 miles. Try a Fram kit next time. The Fram cork rubber gasket bolt holes are slightly undersized and will hold the bolts for you. Also, leave the gasket out flat overnight. That would help too.

I think Pep Boys carries Purolator ATF kits exclusively. Like their PureOne oil filters (excellent) but not their ATF kits (out sourced).

Reply to
johngdole

How often should the tranny gasket be replaced? This was my first time @ 132k miles.

Reply to
onehappymadman

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