760 Stereo question (I really did try to solve it myself!)

Hi all, back again with another question regarding my 1988 760GLE.

I want to move the Eclipse CD/Receiver from my 240 into the 760. The amateur installers (at Kromer radio for those of you in Toronto) had spliced the wires from the Eclipse harness right into the 240 wiring (that's not what made them amateurs). I have carefully removed the harness with as much wire as possible AND left the 240 wires marked.

A picture of the stereo I am pulling out of the 760 is here:

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As you can see the unit is two separate parts:

  1. A tuner with a digital display, a graphic equalizer, and a numeric keypad. This item is heavy like an amplifier and has an anti-theft code.
  2. A non-functioning cassette deck also with digital display. This item is light.

I have seen lots of information (in connection with stereo components that don't appear to match mine) that refers to a separate amplifier near the driver's left knee in the footwell. I cannot find it and suspect that this unit may have the amp built in and there isn't a third piece to be found.

I saw a big silver box with a very wide harmonica connection to it but I believe this is the ICU. There is a very plain black box that is about 2" high x 2"wide x 4" long and is labeled as Made in Japan and a part number 1384599 that I have been unable to get a translation for but it really doesn't look like an amp (no cooling fins or vents).

Anyone know if this stereo has the amp integrated? It sure would be easiest to simply get the pin-out for the plug/socket it's wired to and splice away.

Thanks, blurp

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blurp
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Ah, that's the newer dash style, now it escapes me what it looks like with a standard height one piece stereo, I should have paid attention when I was at the wrecking yard a few days ago as they had some cars with that same style dash.

If yours has the separate amp, it would be mounted on a bracket up under the dash on the driver's side, right under the steering shaft. The two piece stereo may not have used that though.

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James Sweet

Ok, if the amp I'm looking for looks like the one in this picture (the smaller piece):

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or this:
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or this: http://216.218.211.187/~ashman/ebay/startronics/relist/IMG_0393.jpghttp://216.218.211.187/~ashman/ebay/startronics/relist/IMG_0394.jpg then, so far, I'm in luck because I haven't seen any of these suspects under there.

blurp

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blurp

The plain black box is the amplifier you seek.

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Mike F

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:01:57 -0500, the illustrious Mike F favored us with the following prose:

Darn it all. That means I have to leave installation to the pros since I don't think I'll be able to figure out all the wires.

Thanks, blurp

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blurp

Why? I really doubt the "pros" know anything people here can't teach you, I've seen some horribly botched installs. Coming out of the amp (assuming you've found the right box) should be 4 wires for the rear speakers, these are the only wires you have to worry about, and you can figure out what speaker they go to by touching them across a AA battery and listening for the click. When you identify that much, double check the polarity by popping off the speaker grill, when you get the speaker to pop outward when touched to the battery you've got the polarity right.

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James Sweet

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:34:39 GMT, the illustrious "James Sweet" favored us with the following prose:

Sounds like a plan! I have the harness that goes with the new unit and the wire colours have been thoughtfully explained on a sticker on the top of it. There are a few uses that I didn't recognize but I'll try to get a list and find their meanings. What I suspect the pros will have is some sort of key that explains which of the car's wires are connected to the dimmer or the power antenna etc..

There's a useful list on the brickboard here:

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but I don't know if this is true for all models and all amp/radio combinations.

I'll check some wires and see if it seems right...I want to bypass the amp anyway because the unit I'm putting in has an integrated amp (and I suspect one of the reasons the sound is so lousy in the car is this buried amp).

Thanks, blurp ps after this I just have to get the horn and sunroof working and it'll be like a brand new car!

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blurp

If they're anything like the "pros" I've encountered, they'll probably just poke around with a multimeter and take a best guess. I've seen plenty of "professionally" hacked up wiring harnesses in cars and wouldn't let one of those boners touch my car.

The amp should have a cable that plugs right into the stereo, if that's the case you can just remove the whole amp and it should all just unplug.

The horn shouldn't be too hard, start by checking the wires right up by the horn itself. What's wrong with the sunroof? Mechanical or electrical problem?

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James Sweet

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:41:39 GMT, the illustrious "James Sweet" favored us with the following prose:

I agree, I'm hoping to avoid this option.

That would be awesome.

The fellow who sold me the car told me the sunroof electrics were intermittent... I have found them to be completely dead but haven't had time to invest in it yet. I'd love to convert it to a crank like in my 240. But one thing at a time. If the amp just unplugs and I can splice wires in I'll be happy to pull the black box and roof-test it.

Cheers! blurp

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blurp

Converting it to a crank is easy, though I went the other way around with my

740 and have been very pleased with it. There's a couple things to check, pull the cover off the motor, you'll probably have to trim the headliner under it because when the car was made the motor was in place before the liner was put in, there's just cloth over it though, the backing board itself has a cutout already. Check for voltage at the two wires going to the motor when you press the switch, one wire should get power for open and the other for close. There's a ground wire that attaches to the body up there, if it's not connected well the motor won't work. If that's all good then the most common problem is the lube gums up the limit microswitches in the little gearbox, or sometimes the switches themselves fail.

The amp normally just plugs in, if you buy a wiring kit for the stereo for that car it should come with a plug to plug into the harness where the amp was.

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James Sweet

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:55:28 GMT, the illustrious "James Sweet" favored us with the following prose:

I am counting on the sunroof problem to be something simple like a loose ground wire or something. The seller told me that he was sometimes able to get it open but would have to close it manually, sounds like loose or diconnected electrics. I suppose it might be something more serious but when you hit the switch you get nothing, no sound, no apparent attempt to open the roof. I figure if it was jammed or (gasp!) a cable was snapped at least the motor would try to do something. Since it doesn't seem to even peep when the switch is applied I figure it has to be electrical.

Of course, I figured I had a vacuum leak preventing my vents from opening when I couldn't get any heat so my figurings don't always hold much water. It's good to know I can cut the headliner there to expose more of the motor.

As for the amp, I'm counting on there being a neat plug terminating the wires at the amp so wiring new stuff will hopefully be easy. I probably need to get some wire to extend from where the plug meets the amp to the new stereo. I hope I don't have to peel apart any of the thick ropes of wire and electrical tape.

I'll try look at it all on my lunch in an hour and let you know what I see.

Thanks, b

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blurp

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:59:48 -0500, the illustrious blurp favored us with the following prose:

Well the sunroof's working again (mostly) after a near disaster. Turned out the problem was with the switch...the small plastic barbell in the rocker switch (that supplanted the fiddly spring-loaded ballbearings in the 240 switches) had one side flattened and one of the contacts had fallen out of place. The switches don't come out like in a 240 so it took a fair bit of fiddling. Slowly climbing the learning curve.

Of course, I took the motor out too so I could check the wires and engage it without having the resistance of the sunroof. So when the power started flowing and the motor started working I foolishly tried to simply hold it in place to test it. This resulted in only one of the wormgears engaging and twisting the sunroof with one corner up and one corner down (ugh). With a fair bit of hit-and-miss I was able to selectively apply the motor to one wormgear at a time until the roof was straight and then installed the motor again. Much back-and-forth needed to centre the gear but finally...success!

So the remaining sunroof problems are: a) the wind deflector that pops up will not pop back down enough to allow the roof to close. If I hold it down or poke it as the roof shuts it's fine but I'm not sure how to adjust it. Will check the book. b) the labored motion of the roof belies a need for lubrication and cleaning... I know I won't be taking the roof apart at all but I'm not clear on the best way to lube it and what with...any thoughts?

And on we go!

Thanks for all your suggestions. blurp

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blurp

I usually use a screwdriver to move the cables if this happens, it's a pain but not too bad.

Mine had this exact problem, I had to replace the two levers that the roof pushes on as the pivots had rusted and one finally broke off. Warning though, these are exorbitantly overpriced, I think it cost me $130(!) for the pair of them at the dealer, don't think you can get them anywhere else. Every one I saw in the junkyard was rusted. Removing them is not horribly difficult but not trivial either. Perhaps you can modify the sliders that push them down to give them a bit more thickness.

Careful cleaning with a toothbrush and application of spray lubricant works fairly well. You can slide the sunroof headliner back out of the way for better access to the workings. It's much easier to do this after you've seen it done, but essentially you open the roof just a crack, grab the front edge of the sunroof liner and jerk it straight back, it then (hopefully) comes unclipped at the front and slides back. Be careful not to slide it back so far that you lose it up in the roof though.

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James Sweet

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