Haven't done that much driving on deep sand - mostly down at
Hatteras... but never came close to getting stuck. The thing
always seemed to just churn it's way through even seemingly
Today - in some powdery sand on a N.J. beach, I found myself well
on the way to getting stuck. Probably could have managed it if
I'd tried a little harder.
Aired down the tires, cleared the sand humps, jammed a little
driftwood under the rear tires.... and drove out of it no
But there was definitely something about this particular sand
that I'd never experienced before - and that got me thinking.
What do people who know carry with them for beach cruising?
Shovel? Seems like I can move a *lot* of sand very quickly just
digging doggie style.
Boards or some other traction tool? Lotta driftwood laying
around on these particular beaches.
My thinking drifts towards a winch or heavy-duty comealong and
some sort of sand anchor to back it up.
Am I on the right track?
Also, on the subject of airing down.... Does anybody carry a
portable air compressor that actually does the job? Or is it
usually more practical to stop at a service station and feed a
few quarters before hitting the expressway?
You have the idea. Heavy blanket work well too as tires will grab them
and pull themselves out of the sand hole as the pull and stuff blanket
under wheels (this saved me a few times years ago)
Have you considerd a large portable air tank with about 150 PSI in it?
that would be enough to air the 4 tires back up 10 or 15 additional
pounds each and get you road worthy quickly. Year ago when freon was
cheap, I new a guy that used to carry a 20 lbs bottle of it to fill
his tires. (it could fill a lot of tires but today not very cheap or
Can you show us a scientific study with a few collaborating studies that
actually shows that Freon does anything to the ozone? It was all over the
papers, but never gave any scientific study to prove any link with Freon to
ozone depletion. Come to think of it, I don't recall any consensus that the
ozone layer is doing anything out of the ordinary cycle.
The Freon problem had more to do with DuPont's patent expiring than
anything else. There have been no scientific studies shown to date to
validate the claims of ozone layer damage from Freon. Economics, it is
all about economics and control.
I think you kinda realy have your head in the sand on this one. What
happens is well known and has been known about since 80's. The R12 is
released into air it can take a few years to work its way up into
ionosphere but being that it was realeased for years there was steady
stream getting there for many years. The clorine in the R12 molecules
reacts with UV light from sum and in the chemical procees that
results, about 100 ozone molecules are destroyed for each R12
molecule. Last year they recorded the first decrease in theaverage
size of the hole in ozone layer over poles since then have been
monitoring it because the R12 cycle has been broken. The funny part is
that car A/C's played a very small roll in this problem but suffered
for it. Most of the contamination came from manufacturing because 10,
of 1000;s of tons were release each year for making stryrofoam and
like product plus it was used in propellants too for spray cans
because it is not toxic or flamable. Another casulaty ofthis ban was
R22 because even though it is only about 3% as harmfull as R12, it
iwas scheduled for removal/banning too. R12 wa great stuff but not
very ozone freindly.
OK, lets say that you have your head screwed on right, though I doubt
it, and lets say that this phenomenon has been known since the 80s, then
why did the mandate to get rid of R-12 coincide with the expiration of
The R12 is
Every study that I ever saw that was released was less than scientific
and was sponsored by, guess who.... DuPont or one of their subsidiaries.
Anything sound a bit fishy here, or do you suck down whatever the
liberal news media releases???
Last year they recorded the first decrease in the average
No, wrong again here, WE the consumers suffered for it, not the
inanimate cars. WE the taxpayers did the suffering and continue to do so.
Historically, the ozone hole over the poles has increased or decreased
in a multi year cycle, it has nothing to do with what man is doing with
chlorine. That has been documented by the scientific community, it just
isn't politically correct to reveal the truth now days.
Not too long ago, before the banning of cfc refrigerants, there was a
"study" released by the US gov't that showed that almost all (the vast
majority) of the ozone damage was done by the pine forests in America,
Germany, and other countries that are still heavily forested. And one of
our pin head legislators tried to get a bill introduced to congress to
have all forests cut down in the USA. Fortunately, cooler heads
prevailed. I wish I had cut out the article and saved it. I would send
it to you, but then that most likely would be a waste of time.
Think this stuff through for yourself snoman, you seem to be an
intelligent guy, just think for yourself and don't let the media spoon
YOu are looking for something more than there is here. Dupount has a
lot of influence in US but limited in the world. This was a global
ban, Dupount may have stalled it a bit politically but it was not
banned to make them more profit. WHile dupount has ownership of R134a,
Dupount has quelled its problems and the fact it is quite toxic. THe
main fight against alternative refrigerants is lobbied by Dupont. Down
in Austrailia R12a is very popular as Dupont has no clout there.
You really are clueless arent you. The process is well know and it was
a global ban not a US one and the all signed on because of science.
Axtually the US was kinda against it because of political influence
against it but joined anyway.
Yes and no, we will have more ozone in future but be cause of
political lobbying, the choosen replacement was not the best solution
and consumers are paying more for it too.
Again head in the sand here. Yes there is yearly variations but the
averge size of hole was increasing and density was decreasing untill
last year or so when they were able to establish a begining of the
trend reversal. I'll bet you do not believe in global warming either
and that the 1000's of millions of tons of CO2 and NOx dumped into air
every year has no effect on climate.
You have got to be a consevative Bushie. One that believe that man is
never the cause for global demise and than profit take front row ver
long term impact. Also I would these day question anothing report
signed US government on environment because many of those are
politically motived and not based on science. And people like you are
taken in hook line and sinker.
Ok, snoman, consider the following;
and then this;
They are both good readidng reading, the second is deeper and not a US
government scientist, which you apparently abhor to consider. Check out
his sources, consider the whole argument. Can't get much more scientific
All the best to you.
How about a rolled up chunk of chain link fence. That might help in a
situation where you're already stuck.
A bunch of the guys over on the Jeep group have air tanks mounted with
compressors on board. There's even a kit to convert an old York a/c
compressor to an air compressor.
I've even heard of carrying a nitrogen bottle.
Being a Suburban, you'd have lots more room for stuff like that than
the Jeep guys.
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'95 YJ Rio Grande
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