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forgot to ask this before. My 2001 Tracker was made in Canada and the head lights are on all the time. I had a Dodge truck and the lights we on all the time but not on full nor
were the tail lights on. The Tracker has lights on full and the dash lights too. The light controls on the stick do not do anything. Is that normal?
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Yes it is. It's called day time running lights.
Brian

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Brian, Seems to me there is no purpose for that control stick. Why have it?

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The 1998 Tracker that we had a few years ago was the same way. The only purpose of the lever pertaining to the lights was the high beams.
Brian

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| forgot to ask this before. | My 2001 Tracker was made in Canada and the head lights are on all the time. | I had a Dodge truck and the lights we on all the time but not on full nor | were the tail lights on. | The Tracker has lights on full and the dash lights too. The light controls | on the stick do not do anything. Is that normal? |
It is quite possibly "normal" for a GM vehicle, but it's certainly not normal for the rest of the auto industry. Makes one wonder why there are "light controls" at all if they don't do anything, doesn't it? If you're confused, don't fret! You're part of a club of hundreds of thousands of other customers of GM brands that are equally confused about their lighting control systems. I still laugh at both my neighbor and his wife who have yet to figure out how his lights on their 2002 LeSabre work. "Lighting" is a subject that comes up frequently here. I'm the only one in this NG that has any support for customers like you...the rest of the people here are GM lemmings on the topic....brace for the flames!
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James, Because I purchased the Tracker used, I though maybe there was a malfunction. I can't imagine the reason for the complex light controls if they don't do anything. Seems to me, it was wasted time, parts, and money. I love the vehicle though.

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| James, | Because I purchased the Tracker used, I though maybe there was a | malfunction. I can't imagine the reason for the complex light controls if | they don't do anything. Seems to me, it was wasted time, parts, and money. | I love the vehicle though. |
I would have thought the same as you...a malfunction. But the fact is that GM simply has screwy lighting control systems. Why? Who the heck knows...the topic comes up often here in this NG. And, I can't tell you why they would have a light switch control that doesn't do anything, but apparently that is the case sometimes. Now, having said that, there may be some programming change to the BCM that the dealer can do for you that would "change" the lighting system functions (for a fee, no doubt) where the switch would actually do something.
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Hey thanks James, I'll check it out..

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| Hey thanks James, | I'll check it out.. |
No guarantees, but worth a shot. The dealer couldn't help my neighbor with is oddball lights that stayed on all the time though.
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Tim Dolan wrote:

not normal. GW
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Geoff, For sure the dash lights are on all the time. I'll check the tail lights when the towing tail lights are installed.

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| Tim Dolan wrote: | | > forgot to ask this before. | > My 2001 Tracker was made in Canada and the head lights are on all the time. | > I had a Dodge truck and the lights we on all the time but not on full nor | > were the tail lights on. | > The Tracker has lights on full and the dash lights too. The light controls | > on the stick do not do anything. Is that normal? | > | If the tail lights and dash lights are on in the day time, no, that's | not normal. | GW
I don't know, my neighbor's 2002 LeSabre acts this way...tail/marker/dash lights come on when ever the car is started. It isn't a bad photo censor because in the day time the lights go off immediately when the engine is shut down, but at night it has the delay-off. He and his wife tried for months to figure out how to kill the tail/marker/dash light during the day...never did figure it out. Their "switch" is on the dash (not a stalk) and it does absolutely nothing either. I know several GM owners with this situation...more than just DRLs on in the day time.
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Dash & Tail lamps are not supposed to be on in sunlight. Also from what I recall on a 01 Le Sabra, the DTRL's are the front markers inside of the headlamps. Not the head lamps.
GM's DTRL's are Front Only, with Dash & Tail Lamps not on. They are either in the Headlamps or the front marker/turn housings.
Charles
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| > | Tim Dolan wrote: | > | | > | > forgot to ask this before. | > | > My 2001 Tracker was made in Canada and the head lights are on all the | time. | > | > I had a Dodge truck and the lights we on all the time but not on full | nor | > | > were the tail lights on. | > | > The Tracker has lights on full and the dash lights too. The light | > controls | > | > on the stick do not do anything. Is that normal? | > | > | > | If the tail lights and dash lights are on in the day time, no, that's | > | not normal. | > | GW | > | > I don't know, my neighbor's 2002 LeSabre acts this way...tail/marker/dash | > lights come on when ever the car is started. It isn't a bad photo censor | > because in the day time the lights go off immediately when the engine is | shut | > down, but at night it has the delay-off. He and his wife tried for months | to | > figure out how to kill the tail/marker/dash light during the day...never | did | > figure it out. Their "switch" is on the dash (not a stalk) and it does | > absolutely nothing either. I know several GM owners with this | situation...more | > than just DRLs on in the day time. | | Dash & Tail lamps are not supposed to be on in sunlight. | Also from what I recall on a 01 Le Sabra, the DTRL's are the front markers | inside of the headlamps. Not the head lamps. | | GM's DTRL's are Front Only, with Dash & Tail Lamps not on. They are | either in the Headlamps or the front marker/turn housings. | | Charles | |
The there are too many malfunctioning lighting control systems on GM vehicles then.
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If mine malfuctioned like that, instead of bitching about it. I would fix it. But since your a bitch, and so are your neigbors. Nuff Said. Charles
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Charles Bendig wrote:

dusk, no lights on). Glad everyone in James' town doesn't need help. GW
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| > | >>| | >>| Dash & Tail lamps are not supposed to be on in sunlight. | >>| Also from what I recall on a 01 Le Sabra, the DTRL's are the front | > | > markers | > | >>| inside of the headlamps. Not the head lamps. | >>| | >>| GM's DTRL's are Front Only, with Dash & Tail Lamps not on. They are | >>| either in the Headlamps or the front marker/turn housings. | >>| | >>| Charles | >>| | >>| | >> | >>The there are too many malfunctioning lighting control systems on GM | > | > vehicles | > | >>then. | > | > | > If mine malfuctioned like that, instead of bitching about it. I would | > fix it. But since your a bitch, and so are your neigbors. Nuff Said. | > Charles | > | > | I saw another person in serious need of automatic lights today (after | dusk, no lights on). | Glad everyone in James' town doesn't need help. | GW
Apparently they do, showers here today (law requires lights) and a trip out this morning revealed nearly all of the GM's on the road without tail lights lit when most other non-GM cars did turn their lights on (since they're used to doing it themselves, is my guess). There is no such thing as "auto" lights...only ambient light control (which can't apply at the applicable times when the law requires lights...only when it's "dark" Hardly the only appropriate time lights are required). But we've been through this before. Some day you GM lemmings will realize that since it's a frequent topic brought up here (not by me), then it isn't as benign of an issue and you're in denial (but denial that is common human nature).
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You should know that some GM's have the headlights turn on whenever the windshield wipers are activated, and you should also know that on some GMs you can adjust the amount of lighting that the sensor needs before it turns on/off.
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That should be the lighting turns on when the wipers are on instead of just the headlights turning on.
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| > | > Apparently they do, showers here today (law requires lights) and a trip | out | > this morning revealed nearly all of the GM's on the road without tail | lights | > lit when most other non-GM cars did turn their lights on (since they're | used to | > doing it themselves, is my guess). There is no such thing as "auto" | > lights...only ambient light control (which can't apply at the applicable | times | > when the law requires lights...only when it's "dark" Hardly the only | > appropriate time lights are required). But we've been through this | before. | > Some day you GM lemmings will realize that since it's a frequent topic | brought | > up here (not by me), then it isn't as benign of an issue and you're in | denial | > (but denial that is common human nature). | | | You should know that some GM's have the headlights turn on whenever the | windshield wipers are activated, and you should also know that on some GMs | you can adjust the amount of lighting that the sensor needs before it turns | on/off. | |
Some do have those, most models don't (obviously, or their lights would have been lit the other morning and they mostly weren't). My 2003 Malibu lights did not come on with the wipers and it didn't have a ambient sensitivity adjustment either. So your statement is only partly true. I would imagine that the wiper/lighting interconnect is available mostly on the most current year modes, some exceptions to that though, I'm sure. Bonneville, LeSabre, Cadies, etc. have had those a few years. Heck, my grandfathers 1960's vintage Cadillacs had a sensitivity control (although he kept the auto light function turned off...didn't like it either).
The wiper/lighting interconnect is probably not a bad idea. This is especially true for the general GM owner since a fair number of GM owners are trained (dumbed down) to forget all about turning on the lights themselves, so they need the idiot proofing the most. Present company excluded, naturally! :-) Not that their aren't general idiots out there that would need them regardless...most people don't normally <5%, I'd say.
Of course, the wiper interconnect still doesn't help in fog though when wipers aren't always needed. AND obviously those that have the ambient sensitivity adjustment function obviously don't use it correctly either since many GM's driving around in the fog without tail lights these days! (more than other "brands")
It's always a good idea to throw more complicated control systems at the general public...NOT!
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